Mr. Fantastic would win.

1. He's smarter, I know Plastic man is smart but Reed's intelligence is acknowledged by the supreme beings of the universe.

2. He's tougher. Several occasions he has held his shape in the vaccum of space. Plus in contest of champions 2 he duked it out with the Hulk and didn't get hurt at all (just sufficated)

3. He's stronger. In the Onslaught series he was so mad that he actually expanded his muscles and made himself about as strong as the Thing. Not for long I'm sure but still impressive.

QUOTE]Originally posted by kronofear
Plasticman's a goof, and so were most of his writers. I mean come on LASSO the moon? Transform into a jetplane or a car. Thats beyond silly, thats just.....resisting urge to get warning. Anyway, Reed is smarter, not some comic relief character, and has had infinately better writers. Therefore...reed all the way. Moon lasso or not Mr F would just zap his @$$ to the Negative Zone. Besides Plastic Man is pink. [/quote]

Hey, if you're going to make fun of a comic book icon like Plas don't forget to add his goofy sidekick Woozy Winks. Dang, it's guys like you, ignorant of the comic book industry beyond the present day carp out there, that make me sad. Besides Plastic Man has a RED costume.

Let’s understand one thing Plastic Man predates almost EVERY other contemporary superhero. His inclusion into the elite pantheon of powered people is paramount. Let me help you understand Eel, or at least his literary history, just a little bit:

Created in August of 1941 by Jack Cole, a hall of fame comic creator, Plastic Man began as an insert in Police Comics, a monthly anthology published by Quality Comics. By 1943 he had his own book. Cole’s style revolutionized comics and Plastic Man became an icon in the industry.

It would take up too much time to tell you everything on Plas here. Read the book “Jack Cole And Plastic Man: Forms Stretched To Their Limits” by Spiegrlman and Kidd or check out this site for a quick read on Plastic Man:
http://www.quarterbin.net/profiles/pro53.html

“Indeed, if comics has no place for the fantastic, for the wild, and the absurd, it would do well to abandon the medium to a series of photographs of real events, perhaps adorned with captions rendered from recorded transcripts of the proceedings.”

Sorry if I flamed a bit but this stuff is really important if you have any interest in this medium.

Knowledge is power! (Maybe that’s why Reed stands a chance)

The above post, though primarily about Plastic Man, is intended to take nothing away from Mr. Fantastic or his supporters.

First, I commend you on your knowledge of the medium of comic books.

Second, come on. Most contemporary writers treat Plastic Man pretty shabbily. And in the final analysis, a superheroes power level is determined by one thing only: the writer.

Plastic Man vs Mr Fantastic would be determined by the creativity of the writers. It could come out any darn way they wanted it to. We, the readers and fans, might disagree, but that's the way it is.

When looking at the totality of either characters history, you can find numerous examples of their respective "awesome power levels".

But at the last, it depends on what makes the better story.

(oh, and, um, Plastic Man would totally win!!)

I totally agree. But in their defense Plas is one hard nut to crack. Many writers today are falling short of the potential of their subject matter. Add to that the modern day trend towards reality in comics and you end up with a big plastic problem.

Plastic Man is a character based on insider jokes and the levity associated with a reality where incomprehensible superheroes reign supreme. How on earth can we hope a comic book writer (many who don't even conduct in-depth research on their subject matter) to handle Plastic Man in today’s market. Truly, it is a credit to this rubbery, red reprobate that he is even included in today’s books.

I think that Grant Morrison handled Plastic Man the best in the last few years. Golden Age, you do have a great amount of knowledge of comic books. It surpasses my own and I know a lot about the history.

Thanks darius_dax1, but I must admit that I own a mid-sized general bookstore. My knowledge extends as far as I can research.

Actually, I have a bad memory for specifics but a good memory for generalities. So, suddenly I remember something like "Oh, wasn't Plastic Man made back in the 40's and written by some one important in the industry" and then I do a little research (so as not to sound like an idiot on realms - or more of an idiot anyway) and post away! (okay I know a little more than that, but you get the gist)

I'm impassioned about the comic book medium. I'm an educated (2d) artist with years (read: 7) of university training under my belt and many years of professional painting, illustration and commercial work in my portfolio. It all started with comic books. I'm indebted to the little 4-color rags and I'd like to think I'm giving something back now and again.

Reed can stretch and talk the ears off Galactus. He is also quite distractable. (How many times has he basically ignored his family and friends to do research?)

Plastic Man is FAR MORE PHYSICALLY POWERFUL. He turned into a giant mixer set, a giant toilet bowl, cars, jets, women.

The only limit he has is that he is completely insane

Think of a contest of wits betwen Steven Hawkings and Robin Williams. Yes Hawkings is smarter and can come up with theories for everything but Williams would talk him up and down, leaving Hawkings wondering which end was up.

Richards is a genius but he is not CLEVER.

Regardless, frickin' Marvel fans, every Marvel character is more powerful seems to be your mantra.

You are worse than cat owners!

There's something to be said for the comic book characters who are not super geniuses to the nth power. Remember in DC One Million #3, when things looked so helpless for the world in this era and the universe in the 853rd Century. It was the Huntress, who surrounded by the greatest and most powerful minds, came up with the plan to defeat Solaris. Without spoiling the story line for those who didn't read it, the plan was so simple the super geniuses didn't think of it.

Hmm. I would have to say that Reed is clever. He did trick galactus.........

Not saying he could beat everyone in the DC universe, in general DC heros are more powerful (ability wise) than Marvel.

No matter how silly someone thinks plastic mans powers are, theyre very real. You say that it is a joke that plastic man can lasso the moon, but have no problem with galactus devouring a planet. The fact is galactus can, and so can plastic man. he can quite literally do anything he wants to with his body. thats just the way it is. he might look silly, but thats part of the allure. All that power in a man like that. Just like Molecule Man, a little schmuck with the powers of gods.

So, on a power scale, plastic man leaves reed in the dust. so we need a scenario to determine the winner. If these 2 just happen to bump inot each other in a dark alley, reeds toast. If reed has time to prepare, im sure he could find something. So I say plastic man under most circumstances. Even batman says hes a bad@$$. "Immeasureably powerful. Absolutely insane." If you cant trust batman, who can you trust?

Golden Age,
My experience comes from being a fan of the medium for 27 years and wanting to know more than Superman is from Krypton. I worked in a comic book store for around seven years and had many interesting talks with customers and comic's professionals. I actually wrote papers in english and psychology regarding comic books and almost did the same in history while I was in college.

I have actually held some of those Police Comics in my hands! As well as Military Comics, The Green Llama, and many other Golden Age era Books. I own several (around 25-35) Adventures of Captain Marvel, Whiz Comics, Mary Marvel, and Captain Marvel Jr. (see the link?) comics. Some are in good condition some are coverless. My prized posession is Adventures of Captain Marvel #2, while the cover is detached it is still fun to have.

AWESOME darius! (I think we've had similar comic/gaming past - I recall the PM's we exchanged last year.)

That old stuff is the foundation of comics today. Without those stories today's comic book cardhouse would crumble.

By the way... Plastic Man!

What scenario would it take for Reed to win? I realize it's possible, I'm just having trouble thinking of a way for him to succeed.

Okay, a super molecule-freezing ray gun. Duh, that's too simple. Let me rephrase...

What would be a cool and clever scenario where Reed could defeat Plastic man? This scenario should definately leave the reader with a "wow".

HOLY ####!!!! SUPERMAN IS REALLY FROM KRYPTON??????!!!!!!!!

Wow. The truth strikes me hard once again.


About Plastic VS Fantastic:

I am a Marvel fan first and foremost.

Plasticman is Powerfull and ommnipotent and Reed is a Intelligent SuperGenius (Er......kinda redundant)

Plastic Man can defeat Reed Physically.
Reed could leave the jokester babling alone if we're talking Smart-talk


But the true answer it's the same as the one posed when you say who would win between Batman & Captain America, GL & Silver Surfer, Spider-Man & Superboy, Superman & Thor and many MANY others:

No one.

Neither Marvel nor DC would risk their characters for a fight like this and would only give them if the fans decided (DC VS MArvel anyone?) and DC and Marvel both have NUMEROUS fans that after a battle would ramble about how thier character should have won.

But Clix talkin: Mr. Fantastic takes the cake!

Actually they did have a big series of fights where the fans chose the winners (Batman beat Captain America) and even some where the fans did not choose the winners.