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RELIC GUARDIAN from the Thule Priest and I'LL FORGE YOUR WEAPON, YOU $#@*&% from Spitlip will stack; 3-6 chance on a d6 to get a relic as a Free Action are not bad odds!
Add Sin for her SEARCHING FOR THE HAMMER trait to the above 2 affects, and she will succeed on a 1-6 in picking up a Hammer dropped when a friendly member of The Worthy is KO-ed!
EDIT: crap, forgot about the Rule of 3: she tops out at a 2-6, no better than anyone else rolling for a dropped Hammer from a friendly Worthy.
No, you cannot automatically succed when given a Free Action to equip a Hammer, you only automactically succeed when given a Power Action.
This is correct according to the wording of both the BoS and Splitlip.
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If the friendly character is given a power action to place that Hammer on its character card this turn, the roll automatically succeeds...
The character is NOT being given a power action, it is being given a free action, therefore not an automatic success. If it didn't say "given a power action" specifically, it would be amazing with Splitlip. However you do get +1 to your relic roll.
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This is correct according to the wording of both the BoS and Splitlip.
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The character is NOT being given a power action, it is being given a free action, therefore not an automatic success. If it didn't say "given a power action" specifically, it would be amazing with Splitlip. However you do get +1 to your relic roll.
Makes sense. So no auto-pickup but +1 to the roll for free. Sounds good.
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When a relic comes down, can you use both a free action from Splitlip AND a power action like normal to pick up a relic. (Basically giving you 2 chances for each relic)
Quote : Originally Posted by Rulebook Page 21 Relic Rules
Once per game per character, if a character occupies the same square as a relic, that character may be given a power action to roll a d6 that can’t be rerolled. This roll is called a relic roll.
Since you are now being given a free action INSTEAD of a power action, does that get around the limit of once per game per character? That, I'd wait for a ruling on, because I can see the points going both ways.
I really want to agree with the cat because he is right 95% of the time(at least on the threads I've read), but I think the wording points to it not working due to the reasons that have already been said. This could be an incredibly rare moment for forethought and planning on the designers part.
RELIC GUARDIAN from the Thule Priest and I'LL FORGE YOUR WEAPON, YOU $#@*&% from Spitlip will stack; 3-6 chance on a d6 to get a relic as a Free Action are not bad odds!
Add Sin for her SEARCHING FOR THE HAMMER trait to the above 2 affects, and she will succeed on a 1-6 in picking up a Hammer dropped when a friendly member of The Worthy is KO-ed!
EDIT: crap, forgot about the Rule of 3: she tops out at a 2-6, no better than anyone else rolling for a dropped Hammer from a friendly Worthy.
The Rule of Three only applies to combat values. The d6 roll for a Relic is not a combat value, nor does it use one.
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Quote : Originally Posted by Rulebook Page 21 Relic Rules
Once per game per character, if a character occupies the same square as a relic, that character may be given a power action to roll a d6 that can’t be rerolled. This roll is called a relic roll.
When a relic comes down, can you use both a free action from Splitlip AND a power action like normal to pick up a relic. (Basically giving you 2 chances for each relic)
Since you are now being given a free action INSTEAD of a power action, does that get around the limit of once per game per character? That, I'd wait for a ruling on, because I can see the points going both ways.
I'LL FORGE YOUR WEAPON, YOU $#@*&%: Friendly characters can use free actions instead of power actions to make a relic roll and modify their roll by +1 if not already modified by this effect.
I was thinking the same thing, but since since Splitlip's SP says "..instead of a power action..." I do not think a character can use both a Free and Power Action for the same relic.
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The Rule of Three only applies to combat values. The d6 roll for a Relic is not a combat value, nor does it use one.
I really want to agree with the cat because he is right 95% of the time(at least on the threads I've read), but I think the wording points to it not working due to the reasons that have already been said. This could be an incredibly rare moment for forethought and planning on the designers part.
I think, ultimately, it comes down to whether or not the "equipping" effect is a separate and unique effect, or if it's just a "relic roll". Considering a discusssion I had about "assigning" things, I'm not going to assume anything at the moment. I think a question to GD would be helpful.
If it's a separate effect, then Splitlip will not let that action be a free action.
If it IS a "relic roll", then Splitlip will allow the Power Action used by the Book of the Skull effect to be used as a Free Action instead.
If the BoS effect is not a "relic roll", then the wording on the card seems redundant. Why even mention a roll automatically succeeding? Just say that the hammer is "equipped" to the character and don't even mention rolling.
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If it's not a "relic roll", then the wording on the card seems redundant. Why even mention a roll automatically succeeding? Just say that the hammer is "equipped" to the character and don't even mention rolling.
Are you suggesting Wizkids have worded something badly?
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Just throwing this out there. I was looking at relics and noticed that Mjolnir States that the d6 roll cannot be modified. So Splitlip and the Priests cannot help there.
Just throwing this out there. I was looking at relics and noticed that Mjolnir States that the d6 roll cannot be modified. So Splitlip and the Priests cannot help there.
from the player guide pg#225
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MJOLNIR†
Relic: 6.
Immobile: Modify the characters’ attack and damage values by +2, and the character can use Quake, Energy Explosion, and the Flight ability.
Availability: Hammer of Thor S101
sorry so yes it can be
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Subscribing in hope that this question will be answered. If Splitlip allows you to auto-pickup as a free action, then he's a near-broken engine that will be on every BoS build. If he gives you the option of either Free Action pickup with a roll (at +1) or power action as normal with no roll required, that'd be a bit more balanced I'm inclined to think.
To me, it sure looks like this, by the rules:
When someone is adjacent to Splitlip and the BoS drops a hammer in their square (either the free action start of turn one or one by another character being given a power action) you can use Splitlip to take a free action to make a relic roll to pick it up by making a successful relic roll at +1, or you can take a power action with that character to pick up by making a relic roll that automatically succeeds (by the BoS text.) This allows for a balance -- you choose either speed with a chance of failure, or slower but with guaranteed success.
Of course, this explanation and the seeming balance contained within may be overruled by that most nebulous of creatures, Game Design Intention.
Subscribing in hope that this question will be answered. If Splitlip allows you to auto-pickup as a free action, then he's a near-broken engine that will be on every BoS build. If he gives you the option of either Free Action pickup with a roll (at +1) or power action as normal with no roll required, that'd be a bit more balanced I'm inclined to think.
This is one of those times where I'm pretty sure I'm right, but I wouldn't mind being wrong.
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This is one of those times where I'm pretty sure I'm right, but I wouldn't mind being wrong.
I think as written, you're incorrect in the two effects working the same way. The Book auto-success seems to hinge on it being a power action. Split lip instead becomes a free action but not a power action as a free action. It loses the "power action" sub-type in this case. You can still do the free action but you'll actually have to roll with the +1 modifier.
At least that's how I'm reading this verbatim.
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I think as written, you're incorrect in the two effects working the same way. The Book auto-success seems to hinge on it being a power action. Split lip instead becomes a free action but not a power action as a free action. It loses the "power action" sub-type in this case. You can still do the free action but you'll actually have to roll with the +1 modifier.
At least that's how I'm reading this verbatim.
I just need to know one thing.
Is this:
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If the friendly character is given a power action to place that Hammer on its character card this turn, the roll automatically succeeds and the Hammer is considered to be "equipped" to that character and that character can use its abilities as listed on the Hammer's card.
The same thing as this:
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Once per game per character, if a character occupies the same square as a relic, that character may be given a power action to roll a d6 that can’t be rerolled. This roll is called a relic roll.
I think it is. If it isn't, then why mention a roll in the first place? Why not just have the effect be to give the character a Power Action and place it on the characters card? Why mention rolling if it's not a "relic roll'?
This is what's leading me to believe that the BoS effect is just a "relic roll". If it is a "relic roll", then Splitlips power would affect it.
If it isn't, then that is some redundant wording. Not that that hasn't happened before in Heroclix.
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