Off topic question: how does an ignore list affect post numbers? Was your newest post #12 or #14 for him, Necro?

Wouldn't be the first time someone posted something that was incorrect. We've all done it from time to time. Steal Energy clearly requires an attack.

If that is what he linked to, I do find it funny that he's willing to accept a ruling like that when it supports his case, but will argue and nit-pick over the tiniest detail when the ruling doesn't.

Necro, you've got to quote the link, he can't see my post.

But seriously, with comments like this he wonders why I may have been rude to him? He didn't bother at all to hear me out, despite the mention of quoting Vlad's official post. Instead, he just says I'm wrong. And on top of that, says my logic is flawed because I accepted Vlad's ruling! I was pointing out Vlad's ruling that contradicts MisterId's ruling because this indicates one of the two is wrong and I want to know which. I am human, of course I will support my own case. And of course when something contradicts my thinking I will question it to learn why it contradicts my thinking until I can align my thinking with what is the truth of the matter. I nitpick to learn. Sorry for trying to learn

Masterminded damage is not an from an attack so it will not trigger steal energy.

Rpgambit, did you read my link where clad explicitly states mastermind triggers steal energy? Are you saying this ruling is being overturned? Was it discussed in the cave and decided this was how it should work? Will we receive further clarification that this is how it will work in future documents? (That would help prevent future confusion)

I can't verify this since I no longer have access to the deputy cave, but I'm pretty sure that came directly from norm back when he was the ra.

If that's the case I'll look into it further. According to the wording it should not trigger steal energy as the character taking damage is not taking it from an attack, despite the source being the Steal Energy user. If Steal Energy triggered off Masterminded damage, so would Mystics. If the intent is otherwise, I think the wording would need to be tweaked.

There's also this from the PG to support this position:

Huh, so the cave is a super secret forums section on the realms? I think that was actually hinted at when Necromagus mentioned the roster change, but for some reason that didn't hit me until just now. I always thought it was more figurative and was just an email chain or google doc or something. Also, I never would have guessed you would lose access to it, I just thought you would lose the authority associated with it. But I guess that makes sense. It prevents the too many cooks in the kitchen thing.


Always interesting to learn about.

There's always been some weirdness with mastermind and effects of attacks. For example, penetrating/psychic blast says that damage from the attack is penetrating. But when you mastermind penetrating damage, it's still penetrating damage, despite mastermind saying the damage is not from an attack, because the rules also say that any additional effects of the damage carry over.

True enough, I'll find out. Either way,it should be one way or the other, and if not, something explicit differentiating what transfers over and what doesn't. I think saying "When a character takes damage from a close combat attack" combined with the PG entry saying "Damage transferred is not considered to be from an attack" is pretty explicit. If it doesn't work that way, something should change.

I looked through the cave but if there was a thread, it's gone now. I've reached out to the other guys and will find out what it's supposed to be. For now, I'm saying it doesn't work.

As for PB, I think the damage type transfers as the damage originally dealt is by the attack, so it is penetrating, but the damage taken by the character is still not considered from an attack, though it is still penetrating since it was penetrating at the time of transfer.

So what I've learned is not to target a character that has MM with EE. However, what if the character with MM is in the AoE of an EE attack? Can they still MM the "splash" damage afterwards if there is still someone to MM to?

Sure, why not? It is damage that would be dealt to them

I understand why PB can cause problems for some people, can we talk about what happens to J now!

FWIW my recollection of the ruling is the same as normalview's. Masterminded damage can trigger the Soul Gem, but not Steal Energy.

Quebbster, while I fully trust you, I would like to link to the full thread this time around and point out Normal even posted in this thread: http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showth...41#post6601341

Vlad clarified the answer at that time and said it came straight from Nbperp. Maybe this was wrong and slipped through the cracks? Maybe this was right and someone missed sending or reading a memo somewhere? I don't know the ins and outs of the behind-the-scenes-stuff. Hopefully, now that someone is actually listening to my comments rather than just saying "he's always wrong, let's ignore him", this discrepancy will be further addressed.
Thank you Quebbster, Vlad, and Rpgambit for accepting the situation and taking steps to resolve it.