The problem that others have pointed out, and that all your examples help to prove, is that average point cost is trending upwards. Most new versions of characters that are reClixed versions of older figures cost a good 20-30% more than they did ten years ago. I'm sure some are double or triple what earlier versions cost.

Yet somehow we can't get a Captain America over 100 points. In the history of the game, there are only three Captain America's over 100 points. One is the Armor Wars Vet at 115. The second is the Ultimates Vet at 103. And the third is wielding Mjolnir. Maybe the man's standard power set is such that it just lends itself to economical dials? I don't know. But I do know that I would like to see one tricked out with a 120 point dial, just to see what that would bring to the game.

So yeah, other than some anomalies, point costs are all trending up. But Deadshot still shouldn't warrant a 150 pt price tag.

In defense of Cap, almost every version has been competitive, many sporting 11 or 12 AVs, which for under 100 points is astounding. Dead shot warrants a David Cain type dial, something that can be competitive, peak human skill, without being in the same point class as Asgardians or New Gods.

No arguments on Cap. Even the 60 pt Chaos War version is great for his cost.

That's why I said his power set must just lend itself to lower point cosst when plugged into the point formula. But still, there has to be something that could jack him up into the 125 range. A super charged version of Leadership is the one thing the character is most deserving of that they have never really given him. I'd like to see that.

Seems like it's just a recent trend to jack up the point cost on practically everything. Whenever I see a low point figure anymore that looks even halfway decent I start salivating.

Really though, even if Deadshot probably SHOULDN'T be 150 points his dial doesn't disappoint me for that cost. I love running theme teams. I like to make a working team with restrictions AND I love DC villains. I've tried running Arkham Asylum teams before and the general consensus is that they're mostly too squishy with too little in the damage dealing department to make up for it. If 150 points is what I have to pay to get someone who can actually deal some decent damage along with Indom to just keep firing, then yes I am absolutely willing to pay it. Plus practically everyone with AA keyword has Batman Enemy and that Calculator TA is just begging to give somebody, ANYBODY, that tasty 12 attack

For me, the problem with the scale has always been how inconsistently it's been applied, but this has been around from the beginning. I wish I could say it wasn't the case, but WK has consistently had problems with proper scaling of figures in HC. Legacy Syndrome goes beyond 'too many clicks of life for the price' and 'terrible end-dial values'...remember how many figures start with values simply too extreme, not just ended. So on the one hand, with exceptions like the way certain element interactions (vehicles) or base rules (team bases) function, they've gotten a lot better about correctly costing what a dial does. The problem of scale remains pretty hardcore above and beyond interally to a set. Keep in mind we have a 150 point Thanos that can use the Gauntlet and Terraxia in a 300 point game. THANOS, clocking in at <200 with the FULL GAUNTLET, while we have a 200 point Batman. Derp? So yeah, I wish I could say 150 point Deadshot surprises me, and internally within its own set it seems fine from previews so far, but...150 point Deadshot. Who despite the badass he's packing I'd almost rather play V UN Deadshot + DC 75th. The fact that no sense of scale ever seems to really have been agreed upon is a detriment (and keep in mind, I love HC and am still buying it).

For me, Cap is a character I would start with and therefore I'm a bit more flexible on the point cost. Quicksilver from Chaos War would never get used - 111 points?!?!?! I love the Wolverine Quicksilver at 87, though.

Some characters I am willing to pay more for (Rogue 128) than others (Iron Fist 94).

While some figure costs are going up, I do prefer 75-125 point figures overall. 100 point Wolverines, Caps and Spider-Mans are all good to me. While they could make a 150-200 point Captain America, I probably wouldn't play him as we have good options at cheaper costs.

Fantomex, however, has only I version for me but I am willing to pay 142 points for him.

Agree with most of this.

Quicksilver is definitely a case of being "too expensive for the character." I've played him, and he's worth his points. But when combined with Captain America, Scarlet Witch and Hawkeye on a 400 point team and he was the most expensive guy in the quartet, it just didn't feel right. The team still played well, but Quicksilver's cost bugged me.

Which is why I want the WaX version. Feels more "right" and does just about everything that I want Quicksilver to do.

You guys suck, I don't know jack about Deadshot. And I'm starting to think I should get my name changed just to satisfy you because you seem like you really want to call me "Maximus".

I was actually shocked when I went to see what the most expensive Cap in the game was out of pure curiosity, and besides The Captain or anything like that, the most expensive Cap in the game so far is 115 points! For a Golden Age version! The most expensive Modern Cap is exactly 100. I may be a bit of a fanboy, so I'm no better than the people defending 200-point Batman, but I'd say you could justify a 150-200 point Cap a lot sooner than some of the characters getting up into that range. I just really wish they'd give him a special Leadership like they seem to keen on giving to absolutely everyone these days. Dude's literally a walking fighting battle standard.

I think the "problem" with characters like Deadshot is that so many people love these characters who are "just a guy who shoots really well" or "just a guy who punches really well" because they're so relatable, but then a writer wants to put them up against a really big power character like Darkseid or Thanos or something, and they don't want them to be useless, so they come up with crazy stuff like "Well he can triangulate the exact position needed to fire at the exact minor weak point to something something whatever", and as a result you have characters like Punisher and Deadshot running around with 12-attack Running Shot Psychic Blasting crazy nonsense. That's part of why I grew to prefer big-power, over the top heroes. I can only take so much "he's a regular guy but somehow has perfect aim and enough firepower to take down gods" in my life.

Also, I'm pretty sure "Punisher vs. the Marvel Universe" was written by someone who literally hated superheroes and just wanted to see Punisher kill all of them because of how stupid he thought they were.

Considering that someone from WizKids told me at a convention that hcrealms is a minority of their customer bases, I'm pretty sure they know that.
I don't remember seeing Garth Ennis's name on that book...

I love the music at the end!

That's just Steve. He called me TheAvengingThor for the longest time.

I find this funny, I have said to my friends many times that in the cross over when Cap and Batman went head to head they were pretty evenly matched, but we have a 200 point batman and almost all Caps are basically half that. I would love to see a souped up Cap.

There is not one version of Captain America with top dial Outwit. You'd think there would have been at least one by now.

Ultimates Cap is the only one that gets Outwit anywhere other than end dial. That's just weird to me.

good work guys....Steve take a nap before the cast. Your yawing was making me super tired.

I'm horrible with names. It was more of a compliment, You used to always provide backstories and issue numbers on our casts in the past.

Cracker B-Sides, Figured it was fitting since Breaking Bad just ended.

It was dragging out at the end and I had already been up and running like 18hours by the end the day. Will do better.