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Maybe this has been addressed, but this trait does not seem to specify "The Toyman to which the cymbal-banging monkeys are attached"
So for instance, if I have 3 toymen, each decked out with their totally rad monkeys, each toyman is under an effect which says "count the number of monkeys attached to Toyman, add that to his super senses roll"
But since it doesn't specify WHICH toyman it needs to be attached to, any old toyman will do.
This is substantially different from what happens when a figure references its own name (where the name actually means "this figure", as delineated by how hope summers's attack power works), because when ANOTHER figure is mentioned by name, it no longer has any reference to a particular version of that figure (except as otherwise specified in the power, such as "friendly" or "within 6 squares").
For instance, compare the actual last-word wording to a hypothetical "fixed" wording.
Distraction Toyman can use Super Senses when Cymbal-Banging Monkey is attached to him, but only succeeds on a result of [6]. Add 1 to your result for each Cymbal-Banging Monkey attached to this toyman if not already increased by this effect.
Just moving (or in this case, adding) a few words really changes the meaning of a sentence. The modified version tells us that we only count monkeys attached to each individual toyman for determining THAT toyman's bonus, whereas the original wording could EASILY be interpreted to mean that you would count all attached monkeys to all toymen (and not even just friendly toymen either...).
The "to him" wording is needed, because otherwise the wording implies that if I have 2 toyman(s?, how do I pluralize this?) but only one has a monkey, the OTHER toyman will also get super senses (but only on a 6). While the fix for keeping from counting other monkeys will mean that you need to roll a natural 6 unless he has his own monkey, failing to include the "to him" language suggests that you still have toys giving bonuses to a toyman to which it is not attached.
I like to think I am not just being nitpicky, but then again I am also one of those crazy nuts who thinks that when a wording leads to possible interpretations that cause Bad Things (tm), like unhittable toymans, it is best to address it and just change the wording (via actual eratta, preferably, but by simple orange ruling if necessary).
Are Toyman's toys broken?? Seriously?! Toyman is over priced, number one...His toys take one hit, they die, AND on a 1-2 he gets an action token, to boot, so...No. The toys ain't borkenz. Nor is Toyman.
I'm sorry, but...Your thread title is one of the most hilarious things I have EVER read on this website...No offense man, but...It's kinda funny...Of all the clix to call "broken"...
"Our mother has been absent ever since we founded Rome; but there's gonna be a party when the wolf comes home."
Are Toyman's toys broken?? Seriously?! Toyman is over priced, number one...His toys take one hit, they die, AND on a 1-2 he gets an action token, to boot, so...No. The toys ain't borkenz. Nor is Toyman.
I'm sorry, but...Your thread title is one of the most hilarious things I have EVER read on this website...No offense man, but...It's kinda funny...Of all the clix to call "broken"...
Nothing at all in that post is talking about the merits of Toyman or his toys as figures. "I got this one-clix guy" is not in question of being broken. It's the potential to stack the effects of attached toys in ways that would make Toyman almost indestructible that's the topic of the thread.
The thread title is a little bit unclear, but the topic is totally reasonable. There are a lot of hilarious things on this site, but this isn't one of them.
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Are Toyman's toys broken?? Seriously?! Toyman is over priced, number one...His toys take one hit, they die, AND on a 1-2 he gets an action token, to boot, so...No. The toys ain't borkenz. Nor is Toyman.
I'm sorry, but...Your thread title is one of the most hilarious things I have EVER read on this website...No offense man, but...It's kinda funny...Of all the clix to call "broken"...
Did you read the post, or just the title?
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Justify to me why this thread is necessary and I'll keep it open..
Quote : Originally Posted by Girathon
It pissed me off all weekend rorschachparadox wasn't dead.
Nothing at all in that post is talking about the merits of Toyman or his toys as figures. "I got this one-clix guy" is not in question of being broken. It's the potential to stack the effects of attached toys in ways that would make Toyman almost indestructible that's the topic of the thread.
The thread title is a little bit unclear, but the topic is totally reasonable. There are a lot of hilarious things on this site, but this isn't one of them.
I admit, I didn't read it, cept one or two sentences...The title said it all, though, IMO. (Also, pretty sure the Rule of Three would be violated if the Toy effects were stacked, yes?)
"Our mother has been absent ever since we founded Rome; but there's gonna be a party when the wolf comes home."
I admit, I didn't read it, cept one or two sentences...The title said it all, though, IMO. (Also, pretty sure the Rule of Three would be violated if the Toy effects were stacked, yes?)
Enough of the toys don't effect combat values where it would have come up. Teddy Bears and Cymbal-Banging Monkeys to be more specific.
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I have no problem with VALID complaints, such as quality control. I.e. I pulled a Prime Alyosha Kraven that came with a common Iron Fist dial...THAT is an understandable complaint. Or saying you dislike the +2 stat boost for Resources. Totally understandable, as they are obviously under costed.
Folks ranting about the latest Con Exclusives, who put butts in seats? Not a valid complaint, IMO, as Wizkids hasn't shown any reason that they will change their policy on Con's. Ergo, why even say something? People don't like it? No problem. Vote with the wallet, and zippa the lippa.
"Our mother has been absent ever since we founded Rome; but there's gonna be a party when the wolf comes home."
Are Toyman's toys broken?? Seriously?! Toyman is over priced, number one...His toys take one hit, they die, AND on a 1-2 he gets an action token, to boot, so...No. The toys ain't borkenz. Nor is Toyman.
I'm sorry, but...Your thread title is one of the most hilarious things I have EVER read on this website...No offense man, but...It's kinda funny...Of all the clix to call "broken"...:laugh:
I have no problem with VALID complaints, such as quality control. I.e. I pulled a Prime Alyosha Kraven that came with a common Iron Fist dial...THAT is an understandable complaint. Or saying you dislike the +2 stat boost for Resources. Totally understandable, as they are obviously under costed.
Folks ranting about the latest Con Exclusives, who put butts in seats? Not a valid complaint, IMO, as Wizkids hasn't shown any reason that they will change their policy on Con's. Ergo, why even say something? People don't like it? No problem. Vote with the wallet, and zippa the lippa.
So where does this thread fall on your list of "VALID complaints"? I mean, after you actually read it, that is.
Quote : Originally Posted by DemonRS
Justify to me why this thread is necessary and I'll keep it open..
Quote : Originally Posted by Girathon
It pissed me off all weekend rorschachparadox wasn't dead.
Maybe this has been addressed, but this trait does not seem to specify "The Toyman to which the cymbal-banging monkeys are attached"
So for instance, if I have 3 toymen, each decked out with their totally rad monkeys, each toyman is under an effect which says "count the number of monkeys attached to Toyman, add that to his super senses roll"
But since it doesn't specify WHICH toyman it needs to be attached to, any old toyman will do.
This is substantially different from what happens when a figure references its own name (where the name actually means "this figure", as delineated by how hope summers's attack power works), because when ANOTHER figure is mentioned by name, it no longer has any reference to a particular version of that figure (except as otherwise specified in the power, such as "friendly" or "within 6 squares").
For instance, compare the actual last-word wording to a hypothetical "fixed" wording.
Distraction Toyman can use Super Senses when Cymbal-Banging Monkey is attached to him, but only succeeds on a result of [6]. Add 1 to your result for each Cymbal-Banging Monkey attached to this toyman if not already increased by this effect.
Just moving (or in this case, adding) a few words really changes the meaning of a sentence. The modified version tells us that we only count monkeys attached to each individual toyman for determining THAT toyman's bonus, whereas the original wording could EASILY be interpreted to mean that you would count all attached monkeys to all toymen (and not even just friendly toymen either...).
The "to him" wording is needed, because otherwise the wording implies that if I have 2 toyman(s?, how do I pluralize this?) but only one has a monkey, the OTHER toyman will also get super senses (but only on a 6). While the fix for keeping from counting other monkeys will mean that you need to roll a natural 6 unless he has his own monkey, failing to include the "to him" language suggests that you still have toys giving bonuses to a toyman to which it is not attached.
I like to think I am not just being nitpicky, but then again I am also one of those crazy nuts who thinks that when a wording leads to possible interpretations that cause Bad Things (tm), like unhittable toymans, it is best to address it and just change the wording (via actual eratta, preferably, but by simple orange ruling if necessary).
This is just another case of wording being twisted to mean something when it obviously means something else. It's getting old.
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