Greasy slick emcee from DC
One breath I'll freeze your whole measly species
You're primitive and limited, you live in a village of idiots
Step in Metropolis, I'll snap a carrot, period
Haha, your rapping is weaker than your fight scenes
Just one punch and over 9000 screams
I'll make your nose bleed like Roshi sniffing panties
From Z to GT, you can Dragonball these

Superman wins

Also different starting point values, like for example

250 super sayin goku and 150 regular goku

So, you're saying that you think the WL Kyle Rayner figure is balanced and comic accurate?

As to DBZ Clix, I'll respond as I always do when this subject is brought up every few months. As a stand alone Clix property, it would work , but as soon as you enable them to be played with other Heroclix figures they don't. The DBZ universe is just ridiculously over powered when it comes to their characters. The early versions of the characters are NOT on par with the Street Fighter characters. At his weakest, Piccolo was able to destroy the moon with an energy blast which he did to stop a rampaging transformed Gohan that was even stronger than he was. He blew up an effing planet!

Can they make DBZ Heroclix? Absolutely. Will they be accurate in power level to how they are on the cartoon? Absolutely not. Will people be happy that they are seriously watered down? No.

To be honest if they do make them then people will STILL buy them, and then complain about it. But as far as WK should be concerned:

1. Is this license available?
2. If yes, will people buy it?
3. If yes, why aren't we doing it?


I'd agree with Gundam being clixed; just treat them like Pacific Rim and we can make it work.

For another set I'd love to see done would be Sword Art Online. Lots of BCF, for sure, but some great spiffy abilities and even a chance for a BALANCED resource dial to come out of it.

You're missing a couple of important steps:

-Does the license holder care?
-Does anybody at WK care?

Something might be both available and profitable, but unless either or both parties *care* about making it happen, then it won't.

Until they try and dump them on your venue (and your venue dumps them on you) with the carrot that is "Con Exclusive".

Then, my friend, skin of the nose will be had!

To make DBZ Heroclix comic-accurate would require rules like this:

"When you miss a ranged combat attack, roll 1d6. On a result of 5 or 6, the game to your right immediately ends, as you have blown up their playing field"

You clearly :
- have no idea what street fighter characters are capable of in the different mangas/anime derived from the video game
- have no idea what you're talking about when you compare comics like DC/Marvel with the so-called overpower of DBZ : Marvel has eaters of worlds and destroyers of planets as well

also the "cartoon" (i think you meant anime) is NOT the ultimate DB/DBZ reference. The real things are the manga (paper, you would probably say "comic")... Thinking what is canonical in dbz is the "cartoon" is comparable as thinking that the canonical material of super heroes are the movies rather than the comic-books. It's completly different. And it irks the real fans usually.

They still blow up planets in the manga (paper) i know. But they also completly destroy/change/alter worlds in comic-books yet they have been made in clix without any problem. (Scarlet Witch for example)... So again, having playable, fun and totally representative of the character DBZ clix figures and dials is not only possible, it's very easy and it will totally be compatible with other clix lines. Toriyama is a great comic-book fan i've been told, and there are totally "things" in the Dragonball universe that are inspired by what super-hero-comic-books are. It's a license that makes alot of sense as an heroclix property, perhaps alot more than LOTR for example.

Must...not...be...dragged...in!

Okay.

The idea that DBZ figures shouldn't be made because the game can't handle their power level is laughable to me. If you take the game as representative of the source material, not a literal translation, there's no reason they don't fit. People that argue "Super Saiyans can crack a planet in half, they're too powerful," petty much ignore that 90% of Kryptonians can do the same. They might do it by flying at the speed of light through the planet instead of using a spirit bomb, but they can still do it.

And so on and so forth. Scattershot? Ranged flurry sp. Kaioken? Charge/flurry combo, with medium damage based on when Goku was using that. Loads of ESD and CR with super senses.

Heck, FI Iron Fist is a pretty good mid-Frieza Saga Goku.

I just think it could be done. Especially going with the "play within the set" restrictions that we see in stuff like LOTR and other GA lines. In fact I think the biggest issue is that you'd see a ton of similar dial-types.

The Internet itself is probably thinking, "not this again." In fact, if there's a bookie out there taking bets on what will cause the end of civilisation, I'm putting a tenner on Superman-vs-Goku-Related Robot Uprising. Now I'm going to spend the rest of the day wondering if that would qualify as situational irony.

I have no idea what you're trying to say here.

Hesster,
I agree that they can be made, always have. I think sets like this help keep the game alive and interesting! (Hell I've wanted Clix based on Trigun and Onepiece forever)
And I think the designers CAN do them justice at the 100-250 point level.
I just know it'll be an uphill battle for some very die hazard fans because some fans are never going to be happy. Not all fans, not even a majority. But someone will say it, and it'll be laughable.

One thing is for sure, no matter what, some people will think they are under powered and some will think they are overpowered just like with every other set

Balanced? Yes!
I'm not looking for comic accuracy as much as I am looking for playability and usefulness on a team.
White Lantern Kyle is both of those. (And that's not to say I don't want comic accuracy, I do. Frankly, this is a nice standard lantern dial with some bells and whistles that make him playable on any lantern team. It's not very different from what he was doing when he first became a WL in NG)
He works well on any lanterns team you put him on because of his keyword trait (so he can benefit from all the individual tricks each corps has as special powers that key off their keywords), he benefits from playing on a non theme team as well with his special power that allows him to copy powers from other friendly characters.
I'm glad he's cheap and playable.
I didn't want a 200+ Kyle that doesn't fit well on a team (and he's almost always been a team player one way or another).

That's not to say I wouldn't mind having an end all be all 200 point + Kyle* and Hal that do some major damage one day (this IS coming from a HUGE Green Lantern fan from all it's incarnations), but I'm glad in the WoL set (which focuses more on team building) they aren't that way.



*Kyle better have a special power called Slamtrak!!

Ah, got it. We're broadly on the same side of the debate then. My mistake.