"CLOSE COMBAT EXPERT. This character adds 2 to his damage when making successful single-target close combat attacks. (Optional) This power does not work with other super powers (such as Super Strength or Enhancement). "
If willpower is a superpower, then that ends the discussion. There is an exception for probability control, but no other exceptions have been made to the rule quoted above.
It is strange that they note that enhancement does not work with CCE since enhancement only applies to ranged attacks)

Who else is hoping all this willpower/stealth/RCE/CCE arguing will end with the next FAQ?

RCE/CCE and their limitations are on DrGandalf's list of things Wizkids needs to clarify. All the arguments have been made, all the blood that needs to be shed has been shed. For now, we have Chapeau's ruling that Willpower can not be used with RCE/CCE and that stands until told otherwise by Wizkids.

Can't we leave it at that for now?

I'm still waiting for the knife-fight!

I thought it was a pissin contest.....

i would never want CCE and RCE to be combined with willpower...it would put too much abuse on those powers, and before you know it ppl will be clamoring for them to be combined with Running Shot/Charge...nah nah i say

A guy can dream can't he Psylocke'sLover?

am i the only one that agrees wit zerofireball , i see wot hes sayin -


attack takes place person uses cce. then person uses willpower - they arent at the same time.

hmmmm - oh i get wot u guys are sayin ---

so u cant heal sum1 wit willpower , u cant energy explosion sum1 wit willpower, u cant throw an item at a person wit willpower --

oh ok , my gg , doc oc and batman are now in my team ....
(w8 they were anyway ,cos willpower rocks...)

yeah well i agree wit zero, end of case

(ps how do u quote??? )

All of these actions are being performed by someone other than the fig with willpower. I think you must be confused or you need to explain your point better (because I totally missed it).

originally quoted by mikekrazy--
"so u cant heal sum1 wit willpower , u cant energy explosion sum1 wit willpower, u cant throw an item at a person wit willpower --"


YOU can use willpower with ANY OTHER power except RCE/CCE that s all...but like hair10 says, i think you re confused...

im not.

at least admit that u think its stupid - so u can perplex sum1 wit rce uhuh- thats wot u jus said cos they r 'different fig' hehe

nope, you cant even do that, you cant perplex a RCE figure's AV up or anything, BUT you can perplex the RCE's target's defense DOWN.

try to get your facts straight.

*grabs his knife, rolls and jabs it in Zero's belly*

I'm right.

<BudPalmer's blood lust is satisfied!>

RCE and CCE cannot be combined with any other power. ANY. Willpower is a power. Your attack and push happen at the same time, so when you turn off willpower it stays off, PERMANENTLY, that is also a rule. The only exception is probability control. That's it, crystal clear, end of discussion. Sorry, mikekrazy and zerofireball, but those are the rules, no buts about it.

Yes, it's true that RCE and CCE CANNOT combine with "any" other superpower....
BUT!

Not all the time.

Yes, I see the puzzled faces...(which, but the way, is the reason why WizKids needs to get this ruling stuff together!!!)
But yes, you can (at least from what I've read here in the posts) combine Super Strength with RCE.

"Huh?" you say!

According to a post floating among the thousands here, you may make a ranged combat attack with RCE and still carry an object.
And before you all get real argumentative and start yelling like you did at poor Zero, I'd suggest you hunt down the post and read it...it was within the last month or two. So this begs the question "When is a superpower 'in use'?"

Theoretically, you cannot Outwit an opponent, then use RCE on that Outwitted figure, by these standards. Nor can you Perplex down your opponent's defense, then use RCE (believe it, Lancelot, because the power is still active when you attack with RCE). Nor, really, could you Mind Control an opposing fig., then make a RCE attack with that figure. Weird, huh? This is such a quagmire of unintelligible rulings (some stuff works, some doesn't...carrying an object doesn't mean using Super Strength, blah, blah) that I'm at a LOSS to explain it all. AGAIN, LET ME BE CLEAR. I DON'T HAVE THE PATIENCE TO CHECK NEW RULINGS EVERY TWO WEEKS THAT CHANGE THE GAME. THIS IS RIDICULOUS, AND TOO MANY FRICKIN' LOOPHOLES ARE BEING CREATED EVERY TIME WIZKIDS ATTEMPTS TO "FIX" A RULE. When tournament judges can't agree on rulings because they have no definitive guideline...then people will stop playing tournaments, like me. I need to see the same rules in every venue to believe that this game will work in a tournament setting. SOMEONE needs to set this stuff straight from the top on down and then maybe, just MAYBE we can stop these rules debates that dominate half this website.

'Nuff said.
Wait, no, one more thing. You know-it-alls out there, ripping Zero and MikeCrazy up on these issues, maybe you should stuff it in your piehole for a sec, and understand the argument. These guys are pointing out, albeit not in their posts, but just by posting, exactly what's WRONG with this rules system. The exceptions and loopholes are mind-numbing. At least THESE guys are questioning it, and not grazing like brain-dead sheep out to pasture. THINK once in awhile....you don't have to drink down these rules like milk from Mommy. Slap the teat outta your mouth and SPEAK UP if you question this stuff. It's the only way the game'll get better.

That's all.
If you disagree, great. At least you have an opinion.