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Due to some rules questions that will never be answered (such as what happens when you play the Knockout Gas BFC and someone has the Net Construct) and wild differences among venues and play groups, I'd like to get a group of rules-minded people together to create a document that can serve as a set of standards that venues and play groups can use as shorthand for what people can expect in absence of official WizKids rules on a given subject.
I don't have time consistently to join a team and take on real responsibilities, but I can certainly criticize anything you post! I'm good at criticizing! : - )
Speaking of feats, I still have the document I made at the request of the Rules Arbitrator of the day of changes that needed made to feats and BFCs to restore their functionality that was lost after rules changes. Most of them are can-to-may shifts where optionality was important but now lost. PM me your email address if you want it. It's a Word doc but I can convert.
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For example, I'd like to create something people can use as a standardized Highlander rule.
Good luck! Here's a problem for you to consider (and a primary reason why I loathe Highlander rules in general): Crimson Fox.
Crimson Fox is a single superhero identity with two different secret identities, two sisters who both donned the Crimson Fox costume. But, they didn't do it at the same time (that would ruin the game, seeing two Foxes at once).
So, by your standardized Highlander Rule, can I play two Crimson Foxes because two Crimson Foxes are possible, or is it verboten because it never happened and "they would never do that". And is this really the sort of thing you feel the urge to take precious hours out of your life standardizing?
Regarding your sample document, note that Supernova wasn't the last pre-card set. Origin, 2099, and Hellboy all came out after Supernova. Well, the Hellboy action pack had cards, but only HorrorClix cards, not HeroClix ones.
And I don't know why you're splitting bystander tokens into "modern" and "classic". I can certainly see separating "spawned" as a category because "no tactics" games should allow those (in my not noticeably humble opinion), but I don't see any reason to distinguish your "classic" from "Modern". What's the idea?
Dice with glyphs should be announced to your opponent at the start of a match.
[quote=Suttkus;8171492]I don't have time consistently to join a team and take on real responsibilities, but I can certainly criticize anything you post! I'm good at criticizing! : - )[quote]
Hooray! I need that! It's part of why I want a team.
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Speaking of feats, I still have the document I made at the request of the Rules Arbitrator of the day of changes that needed made to feats and BFCs to restore their functionality that was lost after rules changes. Most of them are can-to-may shifts where optionality was important but now lost. PM me your email address if you want it. It's a Word doc but I can convert.
My username at Gmail. Word's fine. I can open pretty much anything. I actually did a similar document myself over an otherwise empty weekend. I'll compare the two, as I'd think OpenClix Cardboard would be another good document.
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Good luck! Here's a problem for you to consider (and a primary reason why I loathe Highlander rules in general): Crimson Fox.
Crimson Fox is a single superhero identity with two different secret identities, two sisters who both donned the Crimson Fox costume. But, they didn't do it at the same time (that would ruin the game, seeing two Foxes at once).
So, by your standardized Highlander Rule, can I play two Crimson Foxes because two Crimson Foxes are possible, or is it verboten because it never happened and "they would never do that". And is this really the sort of thing you feel the urge to take precious hours out of your life standardizing?
I just checked her character card and she actually has two Real Names listed. As such, she'd fit under the Semi-generics Exemption. See? You're contributing already!
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Regarding your sample document, note that Supernova wasn't the last pre-card set. Origin, 2099, and Hellboy all came out after Supernova. Well, the Hellboy action pack had cards, but only HorrorClix cards, not HeroClix ones.
I stand corrected. I reworded the distinction.
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And I don't know why you're splitting bystander tokens into "modern" and "classic". I can certainly see separating "spawned" as a category because "no tactics" games should allow those (in my not noticeably humble opinion), but I don't see any reason to distinguish your "classic" from "Modern". What's the idea?
In my initial work fugue, I was channeling something my local judge (malakim2099) does. When he does Bronze Age (which I initially adopted as he does it), he allows bystanders other than the old standalone ones or the one that came out of the map packs (Security Guard, Alfred Pennyworth, etc.— the old cheap wildcard abuse fuel). I've changed things a bit in the Word document version I'm using now. I figure Word has more robust formatting control than Google Docs does. I'll upload that after I get a chance to tinker with formatting a bit more.
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Dice with glyphs should be announced to your opponent at the start of a match.
My username at Gmail. Word's fine. I can open pretty much anything. I actually did a similar document myself over an otherwise empty weekend. I'll compare the two, as I'd think OpenClix Cardboard would be another good document.
Sent. Enjoy!
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I just checked her character card and she actually has two Real Names listed. As such, she'd fit under the Semi-generics Exemption. See? You're contributing already!
You'll need to make sure your rule properly distinguishes between characters that have two real names because they're duo figures and both names exclude all others, and those with two real names because they're Crimson Fox (can't think of any other figures with THAT situation).
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In my initial work fugue, I was channeling something my local judge (malakim2099) does. When he does Bronze Age (which I initially adopted as he does it), he allows bystanders other than the old standalone ones or the one that came out of the map packs (Security Guard, Alfred Pennyworth, etc.— the old cheap wildcard abuse fuel).
Just ban the bystanders with team abilities. None of the others are in any way format threatening.
Also, consider making a special exception for the formats where you don't allow feats on post-card figures for Frog Legs. It was obviously produced to fix the stupidity of Thor Frog of Thunder not being able to swim. It would be a shame to keep Throg with Frogger in the frog's-that-can't-swim hall of shame.
You'll need to make sure your rule properly distinguishes between characters that have two real names because they're duo figures and both names exclude all others, and those with two real names because they're Crimson Fox (can't think of any other figures with THAT situation).
Just ban the bystanders with team abilities. None of the others are in any way format threatening.
Also, consider making a special exception for the formats where you don't allow feats on post-card figures for Frog Legs. It was obviously produced to fix the stupidity of Thor Frog of Thunder not being able to swim. It would be a shame to keep Throg with Frogger in the frog's-that-can't-swim hall of shame.
Been a long time since I've seen a good wildcard team. What is there that could be format threatening from leeching of the pog army?
Usually I just see the standard mix of alfred/lois/zantanna with a running shot/bagman(maybe)/[third attacker] attack crew. Typically I just hunt the medic or FF user first and play fairly normally after that. Is there something worse out there?
You have my axe! (please return it, got some Orcs to cleave this weekend)
It is hard to pin down Highlander but a fair way to allow multiples is as follows
If the character gets a bonus for having more than 1 of the figure (Seven Deadly Brothers, Multiplex, Cuckoos, Maddox)
If the character's name sounds like a job description or a species (Psions, AIM Agents, Joker Thug)
If the character has a power that begins with "minion:"
You can have multiples
I have seen feats on carded characters but that seems, well, cheezy. Feats are what gave characters special powers before there were special powers. A restriction of feats to pre-carded characters would be awesome
Huh. I already finished my Smurfs. Green Lantern Smurf looks awesome.
A few things I saw;
Bronze age restricts all bystanders. I'd consider revising that to allow "modern" bystanders, but that's just me.
As far as Highlander Rule, I can borrow the local judge's take on it and provide it to you for reference;
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You may not field more than one of any named figure unless that figure is actually listed as a different character (e.g. Kyle Rayner and Hal Jordan, while both named "Green Lantern" can be played at the same time) or unless the character employs a special power or status that would argue the validity of multiple copies being played. Examples of the latter would include Multiple Man/Jamie Madrox, Cuckoo, and Doctor Manhattan.
If you can show the judge where two versions of the same character exist in comics, it may be allowed, at the judge's discretion.
Any number of scrubs may be played at the same time. A scrub is a non-named, non-specific character such as Thug, Elite Assassin, SHIELD Sniper, Frost Giant, Sentinel, etc. When in doubt, ask the Judge.
It's not all-inclusive, but it's well-written.
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Is Bronze Age intentionally more recent sets than Silver?
I would change the name of "No Cardboard" and make it inclusive to resources, possessions and other off map elements, while re-including bystanders. Possibly a second option instead of a replacement.
I have a scenario generator I use at home that I could make some minor changes to for compatibility and post. Is anyone interested in larger games with fewer actions (ie 1200 points 4 actions)?
Yes, Bronze is intentionally more recent than Silver. In comics terms, Bronze is (to my understanding) basically after Crisis until around the '90s. I need to come up with a name for some wild, free-for-all stupidity Age to represent the '90s— maybe a name for a scenario instead.
I dug out a list of generics I made a few years back, tinkered with it a bit, and here it is. It needs updating, though, as it only goes up to Lord of the Rings.
Suttkus, here's a list of Feat updates I did once, using your list to review it. I had one of BFCs, but it seems to be gone. I'd made it so that you couldn't play Skyscrapers on any map where any starting area is on elevated terrain, but I don't remember what else I did with that.
Been a long time since I've seen a good wildcard team. What is there that could be format threatening from leeching of the pog army?
I'm not sure there is, but there's certainly nothing other than TA bystanders that might, so I'm just not seeing any reason to make any other distinction between bystanders.
I am curious to see how the Mystics+Jarvis Pog+1000 Mary Jane Pogs team would work out. : - )
I'm not sure there is, but there's certainly nothing other than TA bystanders that might, so I'm just not seeing any reason to make any other distinction between bystanders.
I am curious to see how the Mystics+Jarvis Pog+1000 Mary Jane Pogs team would work out. : - )
I'm not finding the rule in my book, but I seem to remember one that states your team must fit in the starting area. Did that rule change/get eliminated when starting areas started changing sizes?
Obviously the 1000 MJ team is a joke, but the rule certainly has impact on larger built total games as I sometimes squeeze in as many as 15 characters in a 300 point game.