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Right. Nobody (EXCEPT BLAISER ) was questioning that. The question at hand was if that second revelation of a stop click would trigger 2 more unavoidable damage.
FWIW, I agree with normalview.
No, and you quoted the rulebook. Stop clicking can stop unavoidable damage. The other side of it is the fact that a stop click is revealed for a second time. Blue Devil's power made it pretty clear that the unavoidable damage is dealt after actions resolve. He doesn't get a second bite at the apple just because a second stop click is revealed during the unavoidable damage.
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Emp of the WildCATs is another character with multiple stop clicks who might or might not get rocked by Blue Devil. It means that if Emp gets hit by Blue Devil, you would effectively have an auto-KO as Emp has nothing but stop clicks until the end of his dial, assuming that Blue Devil's ability triggers multiple times in a row on one turn. It will be interesting to see how this goes.
Supernatural Exorcism: When Blue Devil damages a character and a special power is revealed that stops the dial from turning, after actions resolve, deal that character two unavoidable damage.
In my opinion, if a character has a second stop click it would not trigger again because the action has already been resolved
If BD damaged someone with Mystics, he damaged them and, after their action resolved (again, assuming a stop click appeared) BD's power would trigger
But, it would go through Kyle Rayner's special defense because it is not damage coming from an attack? Just like Despotellis' Poison?
ION: When this click is revealed due to an opponent's attack, stop turning the dial. Kyle Rayner can use Impervious and the Quintessence team ability. This power can't be ignored.
But, it would go through Kyle Rayner's special defense because it is not damage coming from an attack? Just like Despotellis' Poison?
ION: When this click is revealed due to an opponent's attack, stop turning the dial. Kyle Rayner can use Impervious and the Quintessence team ability. This power can't be ignored.
yes, of course it would - this power appears specifically designed to punch through Kyle's stop click and also those of the Servant of the Great Darkness - hit the stop click, stop, then click two more times.
The important thing that I think needs to be pointed out is that most Stop Clicks stipulate "damage from an attack."
Blue Devil's trait is not an attack. It's an extra instance of damage that takes place immediately after an attack if its condition is met. If Blue Devil hit Sodam Yat to his 7th click first stop) it'd punch right through to his 9th click because his stop only triggers on damage from an attack.
If a character's stop doesn't stipulate "Damage from an attack" then, if Blue Devil's ability were to somehow activate and then run into another stop, then the second stop would stop the "Exorcism" damage, which wouldn't "retrigger" because it only works off of Blue Devil's attack.
"It is a fool's prerogative to utter truths that no one else will speak." "Prove you have the strength and courage to be free."
Either way, I've submitted the question to WES. We will know shortly if at all.
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The important thing that I think needs to be pointed out is that most Stop Clicks stipulate "damage from an attack."
Blue Devil's trait is not an attack. It's an extra instance of damage that takes place immediately after an attack if its condition is met. If Blue Devil hit Sodam Yat to his 7th click first stop) it'd punch right through to his 9th click because his stop only triggers on damage from an attack.
If a character's stop doesn't stipulate "Damage from an attack" then, if Blue Devil's ability were to somehow activate and then run into another stop, then the second stop would stop the "Exorcism" damage, which wouldn't "retrigger" because it only works off of Blue Devil's attack.
The precise wording on Sodam Yat is "Damage Taken", so it shouldn't matter what the source is of the damage, poison...
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You also don't get to repeat any game effect 'ad infinitium', BD should only get his trait to trigger once (per target). Besides timing issues, it shouldn't be able to repeat itself again and again and again. you get it once. It's done. That's all.
You also don't get to repeat any game effect 'ad infinitium', BD should only get his trait to trigger once (per target). Besides timing issues, it shouldn't be able to repeat itself again and again and again. you get it once. It's done. That's all.
Correct?
Ehh, its iffy at this point.
BD trait specifically states that whenever he deals damage and when a stop click is revealed.
Both of those criteria are met, the only question is the whole after actions resolve.
You also don't get to repeat any game effect 'ad infinitium', BD should only get his trait to trigger once (per target). Besides timing issues, it shouldn't be able to repeat itself again and again and again. you get it once. It's done. That's all.
Correct?
Not quite correct. The rule is that you can only activate something one time each time it would apply.
IE, when Wolverine's trait says he can heal a click atthe beginning of his turn you cannot do it more than once on that trigger.
That is not happening here. Here you have two triggers...two separate instances of damage. Think of it more like using Flurry on a Mystic.
Either way, I've submitted the question to WES. We will know shortly if at all.
The precise wording on Sodam Yat is "Damage Taken", so it shouldn't matter what the source is of the damage, poison...
Ah, right you are. That'd stop at his second one then.
I'm also looking at this a bit more closely now. "After actions resolve" would be key here, but this would be an instance of damage that happens immediately after actions resolve. If this damage was "stopped" then so far as I can tell, it'd retrigger. For Sodam Yat, it'd be a death sentence because it would trigger three times off of itself. That's... interesting.
I'm in general agreement with the "WK needs to give a ruling" crowd. I'm also part of the "WizKids need to slow down and word things more carefully" crowd.
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I'm also looking at this a bit more closely now. "After actions resolve" would be key here, but this would be an instance of damage that happens immediately after actions resolve. If this damage was "stopped" then so far as I can tell, it'd retrigger. For Sodam Yat, it'd be a death sentence because it would trigger three times off of itself. That's... interesting.
Can you eplain a little more about your thoughts here?
How are you repeatedly triggering things off of actions resolving when no actions are resolving after the initial one?
Can you eplain a little more about your thoughts here?
How are you repeatedly triggering things off of actions resolving when no actions are resolving after the initial one?
He might mean, and this is the only way that I would see Blue Devil's trait repeating itself, that it is during the course of dealing the first set of unavoidable damage that another stop click is revealed. Because that is happening, the effect retriggers for the new stop click.
But overall, the effect should stop after the first set of damage, like you said.
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1. Blue Devil's effect would only activate once per action resolved.
2. If there is multiple stop clicks in a row, Blue Devil's trait would only activate once since there was no actions to be resolved when you reach stop click number two.
3. Here is the tricky bit. Blue Devil's power can activate even if the requirements for a stop click have not been met when the power is revealed.
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