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My scenario assumes that the placement would be outside of 5 squares from the character who called him in. It was already established that he would be removed mid-action. So correct me if I'm wrong: if the placement happens first, he is removed, there is no game effect to make the attack miss. Correct or no?
Placing Flash triggers the effect, causing the attack to miss. After that, it doesn't particularly matter what happens to Flash.
My scenario assumes that the placement would be outside of 5 squares from the character who called him in. It was already established that he would be removed mid-action. So correct me if I'm wrong: if the placement happens first, he is removed, there is no game effect to make the attack miss. Correct or no?
Not correct. The miss is not dependent in any way on him actually being placed. The effect triggers, and you resolve as much of it as possible. The placement does not happen first, it all happens at once. It doesn't much matter if Flash is removed once you choose the square you want to place him in, the miss is already happening.
Not correct. The miss is not dependent in any way on him actually being placed. The effect triggers, and you resolve as much of it as possible. The placement does not happen first, it all happens at once. It doesn't much matter if Flash is removed once you choose the square you want to place him in, the miss is already happening.
When effects happen simultaneously, the active player chooses the order
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A triggered effect will resolve once triggered, even if the power/ability/effect that granted the triggered effect is lost or the power/ability/effect can no longer be used, unless specifically stated otherwise
Go ahead and remove him first, the full effect will still resolve.
If you remove him first, there is no effect on the map. <_<
Irrelevant. Placing him caused the effect to trigger. So the effect will resolve.
Following your logic, if my character hit and damaged a Mystics character and KO'd it, my character would not take any Mystics damage. But it does. Because the Mystics TA was triggered by the attack damage. Doesn't matter that the Mystics character is no longer on the map/is KO'd.
When effects happen simultaneously, the active player chooses the order
And again, this is not "effects", plural. This is one singular effect. There's nothing to choose the order of.
And as we've already said, and quoted, several times, what you're trying to argue is irrelevant, because the trigger still resolves.
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Placing him caused the effect to trigger. So the effect will resolve.
The triggering event is a friendly character being hit by an attack, not the placement. If it were, then there would be some room for interpretation, and we'd need to know whether the placement can ever actually occur in this scenario, because the miss couldn't happen unless the placement did. The placement is part of the resolution of the trigger, just like the attack miss. Not a distinction that will matter, functionally, 99.9% of the time, but is still important to understand.
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Once per game, if another friendly character within 10 squares and line of fire would be hit by a range attack, you may place The Flash in a square adjacent to the target and that attack misses that target. If you do, for the rest of the game, The Flash's speed value becomes 0 and he can use Sidestep and Outwit.
So someone happened to call Flash in and an attack is made on a character 6+ squares away.
You decide to go ahead and use this trait.
Until Flash is placed, he is not 6+ squares away so he's not going anywhere, right?
Once you decide to use the trait, Flash must be placed first, right? I mean, he's not 6+ squares away from the figure that called him in until he's actually placed 6+ squares away, right?
That's it.
Once he's placed he's removed, but he's been placed and that is all that is required for the trait to take effect.
There is no question of order here. Everything happens in the only order that it can happen.