But in another line in the rule book, it says that the only blocking terrain that the LoF can pass through is the square that the elevated figure is standing in.

Thus the confusion...

Because that's what the new PAC says for Barrier and Smoke.

Interestingly, it now appears that you can put both Smoke UNDERNEATH another figure. It says "anywhere". Barrier says the same thing, but it also says in the rules that characters cannot enter Blocking terrain (phasing allows it, but they can't stop inside it). So you probably can't put a Barrier underneath a figure.

I can see the confusion now. Contradictory sentences. However, I expect the intent of the rules is to mean you have to be on the edge of the building. It should probably read, "...as long as the only elevated terrain the line of fire crosses is part of the square the attacker occupies." I believe this is the intent specifically because of the new lines about grounded blocking terrain not blocking LOF.

You stated that damage from Poison can be Masterminded.

But that's not consistent with the definition of "damage dealt" that you cite in your discussion of Toughness. Poison damage does not occur as the result of an attack; therefore it is not "damage dealt" (it's "damage suffered" I supposed); therefore it should be able to be Masterminded off.

Poison (optional) :At the beginning of your turn, each opposing character adjacent to this character is dealt 1 damage.

Damage is dealt, so MM and others work.

That directly contradicts the Glossary definition of "dealt damage".

It seems to me that the Poison rule has simply been sloppily worded (imagine!)...

Keleko, I'm in agreement with you an all new aspects of Barrier (Knockback, too). Being able to lose or Outwit Barrier, and being able to shoot over it will make turtling a more difficult task.

I've hated Barriers that snaked outside of a character's range (thanks to that idiotic FAQ) as much as I've hated Barriers created in areas that the character could never have possibly reached - such as indoors in a room completely blocked off from the character. We're rid of the cheesy snaking, but now what about a Barrier set up in a different room, or outdoors on the ground while the Barrier maker is on the middle of a roof?

Because there is no LOF requirement for Barrier, creating one literally "anywhere" within range seems permissable, though the placement may not be logically consistent with many of the other mechanics of the game. Please allow me to get a bit picky now.

Could it be argued that the phrase "within its range" suggests that the Barrier could only be made anywhere within the Barrier-maker's range of opportunity? In other words, while indoors a character would never have range to a room completely blocked off by a wall. Outdoors, a character would never have range to the ground below if he was standing in the middle of the roof.

My question for you all to ponder...

Could the Barrier-maker be restricted from areas that are, in game terms, out of his range by virtue of the surrounding terrain?

i'm just glad they made impervious the way it should be, all that ranting i did and no one thought it was worthy. good job anyway wizkids.

cheers

The changes in barrier are sensible... but a little odd to begin with.

Mastermind and Impervious actually WORK!!!!

YES!!!

(Mike is pleased by this news)

RE the Barrier power, please clarify:

If I create a 4-token barrier in a square surrounding my own figure, can he be shot on my opponent's turn?

___U
_B_
BCB
_BT

B = Barrier
X = my R Cyclops
_ = empty square
U = enemy Ultron
T = enemy Thing

- Would a figure that charged up next to him (to one of the diagonal squares, like Thing) be considered adjacent? Can he hit Cyclops?

- Can he be shot through the diagonally adjacent barriers by Ultron?

- If the barrier were placed by the enemy, can my figure shoot out of it?

- Does it matter in this situation if the shooter or target are either or both elevated?

I've seen some confusion about this elsewhere, because the power does not specifically say that all adjacent barriers are continuous.

As it stands, Cyke is safe, because a LOF drawn diagonally between blocking terrain is blocked. If either Cyke or Ultron are elevated, and on the edge of the elevated terrain, they ignore the barrier.

The barrier can still be bypassed the old fashioned way too - Ultron can shoot out one of the barriers to allow Thing a clear hit.

So if I'm elevated Barrier will no longer block LOF/ LOS to grounded figs and likewise will not block LOF/LOS from grounded figs to my elevated figs? Is this correct?

Can you place barrier on different elevation... such as 2 squares on ground and 2 squares elevated? I don't see in PAC why not....

Barrier markers must be adjacent and therefore cannot be on different elevations.

So you now can shoot over a barrier from a rooftop yes? Then you will be able to shoot over a barrier to hit a figure on a rooftop.