I'd say, in the beginning, Jinzo was VERY overrated.

I mean it was only the 4th set so there were very few cards that could compete with it.

Only Summoned Skull, Toon Summoned Skull for Toon users, Amphibian Beast and Beast of Talwar were the only one tribute monster's that could compete with it in terms of ATK strength. Raigeki, Dark Hole, Solemn Judgement, Horn of Heaven, Man-Eater Bug, Wall of Illusion, Relinquished, Thousand-Eyes Restrict and Hane-Hane were the big one's to stop it. Perhaps a Lord of D. + Flute + BEWD x2 or something as well.

These days, Jinzo is seeing less and less use because of the release of more 2400+ 1 trib monsters with effects like Ha Des, Giga Gagagigo, Terrorking Salmon, Zaborg, Mobius, Testaros (RDS), Chaos Command Magician, and big, easy monsters like Chaos Emperor Dragon and Chaos Soldier and Chaos Black Magician, not to mention bigger rituals like The Masked Beast, Dark Master Zork, Shinato, Black Luster Soldier and such. And the ban list killed 2 of the most used cards, Mirror Force and Imperial Order. You never had to worry about Trap Hole and Bottomless Trap hole with Jinzo so it's still a formidable force to deal with in today's game, especially without the additional use of Chaos Emperor Dragon, Raigeki, Dark Hole and United We Stand and the big Delinquent Duo prenegator to get rid of it. Also There are MANY more ways to get Jinzo off the field as well than back when it first came out.

These days, the question of whether Jinzo is overrated is a bit iffy in my opinion. It's still better than Sorcerer of Dark Magic in the terms of effect and such. It's, I'd say, about even in terms of summoning. It's not that hard to get more than 1 monster so you have 1 to trib for Jinzo, but it's also easy to get out 2 level 6+ Spellcasters with Scientist and DMG and Chaos Command Magician and such for Sorcerer. Jinzo beats Sorcerer of Dark Magic in effect because of effect because Sorcerer of Dark Magic (until ruled otherwise) CANNOT negate Countertrap cards that are used. Why? It's spell speed is too slow. Currently, there is NO spell speed 3 monster or magic card that can chain with a Countertrap card. So if someone uses Divine Wrath, Solemn Judgement, Horn of Heaven, Negate Attack, Magic Jammer, Cursed Seal of the Forbidden Spell, Curse of Royal, etc, then Sorcerer of Dark Magic will not be able to negate it. Jinzo will, at least, prevent opponent from being able to use any trap cards after it has hit the field unless they Horn of Heaven of Solemn Judgement it immediately or hope you got something you can use on your turn that won't get screwed up.

So, the answer I'd give is Overrated? Yes, when first released. Now? Not really

Hmm..jinzo is certianly powerful if used at the right time, but I'm uncomfortable with using him sometimes. He's a great monster, but as with all great monsters, he can be used against you. Monster reborn used to be a problem, but mostly now it's just the change of heart and snatch steal. There's not a lot of ways to prevent what's gonna happen if they get their hands on him, so I usually save him for my final shot. I'll usually dump him into my GY and CoTH him for a final hit when I've got a solid field presence.

But really..sometimes he seems to hurt me more than help. Mobius's effect can't be turned on you, and sometimes, destruction is more needed than negation.

So little traps? *gasp* Its possible to play without traps? Mobius is much more of a threat than Jinzo ever was and Jinzo will usually get himself killed with his stats that an axe of despair(an oddly forgotten card) on any decent monster can kill.

Has anyone here heard of the card Amplifier?

For those who don't know, Amplifier is an Equip Spell card that can only be equipped to Jinzo. It allows the user to use Traps while their opponent's still can't be used.

Uh, yeah I did mention it in my previous post:

Amplifier is good, unless it is someone elses equipped to your Jinzo and them MST'd (Jinzo goes bye bye).

Jinzo is not over-rated, but over-played. It's strengths make it basically a staple, good ATK and decent DEF, and a killer effect. But it doesn't need to be played to win.

I seem to recall that in the Yu-Gi-Oh! Magna, Jinzo had 7 stars, meaning you'd have to sacrifice two monsters to play it. If Jinzo had been this way in the real game, he'd see a lot less play.

However, with people using so few Traps and the release of Quick-Play spells that are as good if not better than the Traps they replace, Jinzo is slowly becoming less of a staple. He's still just as good, but the game is starting to move past him. He's still overplayed, but decks are starting to work around him.

I personally don't like Jinzo (using it or having it played against me) because it's everywhere. It definitely ought to have been banned, just to see what Traps would have been played. But meh.

i run a giant orc over jinzo in my fiend deck... it works alot better for me... if they use a trap to kill it i dont care... more necro food :)

well he certainly is powerful but that does not means he's unstoppable i mean you have some many cards that can take care of Jinzo, Like Solemn Judgement, Horn of Heaven, 2400+ monsters, removal monsters. monster destruction cards, and who can forget one of the most underrated cards kaiser glider... yea so jinzo is good but there are ways to stop him. and Waldo

LOL!!!!

Everyone who said Jinzo is overrated has one in their deck.


There's a way to stop me? :( :confused:



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Overrated? Seems like an accurate rating to me. 6*, 1 Tribute, 2400 atk, 1500 def. Ruined traps in this game for well over 2 years...r.u.i.n.e.d!

I would like to see a short period in Advanced Format where jinzo was prohibited, simply to see which duelists would peek out from behind their bomb shelters and attempt new (or old!) traps that just arent tried because of sheer fear and brainwashing. Ever see the typical response to anyone that suggest any trap for a deck, any deck? "Jinzo"

I dont think a permanent banning is necessary, because we have lived long enough with Jinzo and have developed new cards and strategies that make its dominance wane. Its still effective as all get out. But, now people are starting to expand their horizons since our current ban list has been in place. Imagine the variety of thought that might occur without Jinzo in every other deck.

Think about it:
Monsters
Spells
Traps

There are only 3 different types of cards in this game. Traps are already at a disadvantage due to the nature of "setting" them. They will always be the weakest link. Their only saving grace is that they retain the exclusive rights to Spell Speed 3. Chainablity? Only with a select few. Other, more powerful, effects are the ones with specific activation requirements.

And then came a big, ugly dark and bad man. Not even a man..so cold, so calculating; no heart, no mercy....a Machine

Jinzo :devious:

And since his arrival, the game has changed. We could make similar comparison to the impact Nobleman of Crossout made to Flip Effect monsters.

Its not overrated. Its not underrated. Its jjjuuuussssTT right!

do I use it?
No. I did at one point but have since gone in other directions. The only place I will use it now is in a water deck (plenty of other negation), Horus (plenty of negation), and Machine decks (even Jinzo gets lonely)

Do I respect it?
Darn tootin! And I completely understand why others use it too.

**If only Invader of Darkness was 6* (sniff) it would be even scarier**

Geez, do we all have to stumble into the same thread at the same time guys?! You'd think we were a small gang or something.... 8^D

For my two cents. Jinzo is STILL one of the most lethal cards in the game. Sure there's stronger monsters, sure there's effect monsters, sure there are a few spell cards to kill him, but let's face it, a good player using Jinzo brings him out when you're most vulnerable or have your field loaded with all those beauty trap cards, so now you're wasting space.

...and traps are the most "potent" card that you have when you're dueling an opponent, in the general sense.

2400 is still no laughing matter, EVEN for a single tribute monster. It will outlast most run-ins with other monsters and a little extra manipulation can be done to him to make him last much longer.

Yeah, I don't run him, and I keep 1 "Jinzo Killer" card in my deck, but I respect him IMMENSELY. He's not overrated at all. 8^D

Jinzo is overrated and always has been. It's simply put a terrible card. He provides you absolutely no advantage, he just happens to negate some traps (big w00t). I HATE cards that don't provide you with an advantage (down with Change of Heart, too!!!), so I don't use Jinzo and probably never will. There are way better tribute cards that can work well with theme, for example Mobius the Frost Monarch in a beatdown is WAY more effective than Jinzo. It's a 1-for-2 that is also a 2400 attacker. Airknight is great in beatdown and Chaos as well if you ask me, I prefer this card over Jinzo because it provides you with an advantage as long as it gets off at least 1 attack

i would ONLY use jinzo in amachien deck as a somewhat good one trib 2400. msot decks are only 1/4 traps and dotn rely on them, so jinzo's nto that great. IMO the best 1 trib is mobius

Fact is, people have certain ways of removal

1) monster forms of removal (x-force, tribe, night assailaint, et.al.)
2) spell forms of removal (fissure, smashing ground, dark hole, et.al.)
3) Trap forms oF removal (ring, bottomless trap hole, sakuretsu armor, et.al)
4) attacking

Most monsters all fall victim to all of those forms. but not Jinzo. with his ability he totally disregards number 3. and you have to get a special monster to attack him and kill him. and that's not easy either, so number 4 is hard to do him in as well.

but any other monster on the field can effectively disregard number 3 as long as the Android Psycho Shocker (jinzo) is there.

also, trap cards that are around to have other purposes other than removal (grav bind, nightmare wheel, et.al.) have no effect while jinzo is in play. where mobius will destroy the current one, he has no effect to any subsequent traps placed on the field. Jinzo stops any current trap, and any future trap. this is why he was the meat and potatoes of the tribute monsters in every tourney winning deck.

but the use of Jinzo is dwindling, though. in the new advanced format, both sided find the need to play more traps, which makes Jinzo a very unpopular monster when I don't want my trap to NOT work. a lot of regional duelists actually sideboard him in now instead of having him in the main......

What can we say, about our Old-but not forgetten friend jinzo, his power great, he alone caused a whole revolution in decks, the fall of traps, i remember the days where i used to use alot of traps, i felt safe , but now you neve know when jinzo, so all deck decided t go on trap strike, and the ban list decided to help out, taking the 2 best traps in the game, therefore jinzo powered lowered, and with the come of SOD came his , apperantly, worst enemy his name is mobius

whats so special about this guy, well he matches up to jinzo in attack power, and he can pop 2 magic/trap cards, now this is very good with the little M/t removal there is this can game breaking, aslong that you dont pop a wabaku ora chainable trap, now , what else is there... wow, nothing?, nope nothing more, he comes a normal 2400 tribute, one trap and he is down for the count, this is why jinzo still is better.

I still know friends who use alot of traps, maybe not at alot but annoying traps even old likes Ordeal of the traveler, curse you ordeal!!, so i use jinzo for insurance over mobious which requires luck, anyhow, jinzo has many good friends, King tiger wanghu can stop scapegoats and exlied from coming, ground collapse with one of the best fusions and cool looking who is Ojama king, no monster means no monster removal, which also kills the attacking card(i am basing this is krazykilroy's form of removal)

final words: Feeling extremely Lucky? go with mobius, decide not to take chances go with jinzo, or if it makes you feel happy, add them both or side deck em both