I run a Horus deck and no one else in my meta runs it. They all stick to their little Chaos or Burn decks. The one and only advantage the Soldier has over Horus is his ability to be special summoned. Other than that Horus owns him all day long. I do not use Level Up! and almost always have my Lv 8 out by turn 2 or 3. Along with Royal Decree Horus is a force not to be denied. Everything in a Horus deck has to do with Control. The speed of the game, the cards your opponent can use, and his/her knowledge that Horus is coming and they have to stop it fast. Once Horus Lv 8 is out 9 out of 10 times it is good game for your opponent. Feel free to check my Horus deck out in my sig and comment or fix it if you like.

Well Jeff, my deck IS in my signature, I haven't really changed it from what it looks like right now. Though I am tempted to change it entirely. I want to make it so incredably great that no matter what, no matter which deck I face... that nothing can beat it or get close.

Of course, I know that's near impossible as every deck has a weakness to another deck. But I want to make it near close to that. The problem is, I faced a Mystical Knight of Jackal deck (Basically a Beastdown deck that incorperated 2 Mystic Knights, 1 Ghost Knight, and 1 Jinzo) and it slaughtered me bad.

I also faced a Chaos deck just now and despite my opponent not being able to get the Soldier out, he still trampled me with freakin D.D. Warrior Lady and Don Zaloogs. Either I'm missing something here in my deck or I'm not doing something right. Either way... I need help bad.

I myself have been having a great time running my combo Horus/BLS deck. True I don't win every single time, but the look on someone's face when BLS, Horus & Royal Decree are on the field is a sight to behold.

Horus got a lot better IMO when Pitch Black Warwolf came out. More Jinzo-esque stuff is good for him. Divine Wrath as stated before also helps him out a great deal. I'd deffinately not run him without a few interdimensional matter transporters though...because ROD and the like could get annoying.

Still, when that pheonix comes out in the next set, I'm deffinately making a fire deck based around those 2 and manticore of darkness.

I always run a solemn judgement in all my decks, 1/2 your LP is a small price to pay for the power the prevent ANY card from being played no matter what it is, its real good to take out key cards used alot like Jinzo or BLS.

Hmm interesting... I might put in 2 Solemns to make my deck count 42. Too bad putting in Life Absorbing Machine isn't quite as convient as other traps.

Well, It seems I've managed to gether together a good number of people who in fact run Horus Decks, or at lears have respect for him.

Jeff_Mop, Desmock Velcor: You guys hit it perfectly with the whole 'Horus is Control" idea. One of my good friends runs Horus and the key ingredient to his deck is field manipulation beyond belief.

funny isn't it.........so i'm less intelligent just because my spelling isn't the best in the world, ha, what a bunch of idiots.......

still you may all be right, it may be Horus>chaos but i was just giving my thought and opinions, no need to get hostile........i just just think that in a battle against effects the chaos will win, so you can have 3 divine wrath....yes, you can have 1 BLS and 3 soldiers.....thats for RFP effects, not only that but you would need to draw divine wrath..........and hope they havn't got cards 7 tools of the bandit....and etc.......

I was just giving my opinion..........i still like Horus it's an exellent card but i just like the chaos team more than the Horus team!

I have a few things to say on this subject...::gets water, clears throat, uses kazoo to tune voice:: and i'm ready...

i know Horus isn't wasted.............it's one of the best cards the duel monsters, not only that it's special summon effect is exellent...(thats also a downer Horus is exept and all chaos can be special summoned again after the 1st time)...but still once you get it on te field alot of things have just been screwed up for your enemy mainly the're F****D that they can't get monsters easily to 3000 with out spell).........well, my gren Maju Da Eiza can easily make way with the Horus......also, what if they have Imperial Order...then it's just a giant Bird with 3000, hay blue eys it just a dragon with 3000, but BLS and chaos sorcerer a still take it out, then again if they do have divine wrath then your done, but you can get another chaos, and another and another....you can only get THAT Horus out once if it stays in the graveyard

I have a few things to say on this subject...::gets water, clears throat, uses kazoo to tune voice:: and i'm ready...
First off, Horus decks...when made right, hold a potential and ability like none the world has ever seen. I would know this debate in and out. I've built and ran both chaos and horus. Chaos was like that at one point, but I know for a dead on fact, it is no longer the case. Granted, it is still being run heavily but from what I have noticed from watching other people play...Chaos changes people. it really does and I know I am not the only one who has seen this happen. Horus decks are a lot more complex, a lot faster and a lot more unpredictable than a chaos deck. Everyone knows when the luster soldier comes out and just about everyone does the same thing with it.. "i'll remove and make him cowardly and not attack" HE HAS 2 FREAKIN ABILITIES! USE THE OTHER ONE ONCE IN A WHILE! anyways...::goosefraaben:: Horus decks hold a greater potential now to be shown in both formats of banned and unbanned. Chaos is good only in unbanned. Plus, with chaos, no one runs it with originality. Horus decks can be created to base just around horus or have horus as the BIG dog in your deck. My deck is made to honor Horus and it's chaos crushing ways.
But, as I said, Chaos does have some good points, but I won't get into that. In conclusion! I was never a big fan of chaos, it is weak and too abused like a doll. Horus, it may one day be the new doll to abuse but that won't be for a while. Furthermore!! (ok ok...i'm gonna be done with it soon, bear with me people!!) Though chaos and horus have their strong points, Horus has fewer weaknesses. So therefore, Horus is stronger than chaos..thank you, have a good day and be sure to tip your waitress on the way out!
::walks off stage, takes off wig, hears woman shriek, places wig back on and leaves scene of crime::

your right chaos had some weaknesses......mainly i's grave......your F****D if there no light/dark in there!..............but horus...well, a spell canceller(as weak as it is and Imperial order crimple it.........and if a Jinzo is brought forth then Horus just lost the way to get it's self out........)

There's no need to sound vulgar, daniel. Leave the bad words out, it wont hurt your argument.

Yes, both horus and Chaos have weaknesses. That should be a given for any card in the game. Otherwise cookie cutter would have a whole expanded meaning.

As it is, the comparison seems to be of Level 8 vs BLS, for the most part since those are the ones with the most comparable stats that are both acceptable for AF.

In a 40 card minimum deck: 1 card can eliminate the presence of the majority of your opponent's deck (Horus). We all know this to be true, since monster and trap ratios are almost invariably lower than spells. The rest of the deck is a support system that works to maintain the field presence of that one card. That is fairly cohesive, depending on draws and whatnot.

Conversely: in the other deck (chaos) the cohesiveness of the deck is arranged differently. The monsters in that deck all have the ability to use their effects very independantly and be very effective. Their tying unit is their attributes: Light and Dark. That makes it extremely easy for the inclusion of BLS. Even in a deck that is more focused on dumping Light and Darks simply to summon BLS (Ie: Thunder Dragons and such) the pool of cards available to a builder is vast. This is why you see BLS in so many decks, regardless of whether it seems cohesive.

Both effects and attacks of each horus L.8 and BLS-EOB are amazing and potentially gamebreaking. If you are simply comparing "effects" by what the text says and nothing else, then I believe that Horus is the hands down winner. Its a more fragile deck design and definitely harder to build, but L8 is ......well, amazing.

But (and there is always a but) BLS is the proven card here. Horus [FACT] has not made that much of an impact on the game in whole. Chaos has. In fact, BLS is probably a MORE versitile card to use than CEDragon.

But, I dont want to compare grades on Horus vs BLS. the question originally was: Is Horus wasted potential??

Yes.

The potential is there, by all means. But nothing is being done with it. At least not to the scale that it COULD. now, if you will excuse me........ I have to go work on my Ojama King deck :p

That's been the whole case this entire time. The fact of the matter is, Horus IS gamebreaking, he's just ALOT harder to use in that said gamebreaking way then BLS is. However, it's true that in most decks you see, the ratio, being monster/spell/trap is normally going to be 15-17/18-20/5. That's if they are only playing a 40 card deck, even with a deck that has a higher ratio, spell STILL outweighs or evenly matches up with the monster count ratio.

A Horus, Royal Decree, and ALOT of support magic cards will completely shut down their game. I mean you probably wouldn't even have to worry about traps if you could get V-Lord to thin that section down, seeing as NO ONE is afraid to attack with him LOL. So then what would they have? Monsters right? Well some monsters can prove to be a pain in the arse.

Exiled is one of those ones you just cant avoid, even with a Book of Moon. Then there are the 3 other really annoying monsters, being D.D. Warrior Lady, Tribe Infecting Virus, and the cheapest of the 3... Magical Scientist. But regardless of these minimal threats, there are so many more ways to negate them, if you haven't already begun your lockdown process.

But if you really look at it, most people aren't going to have 1 of those in their hand at all times. In fact most of the people who run these, are going to have decks that pretty much need them. You wont see a burn/stall hybrid with Tribe or probably even Scientist, and doubtfully D.D. Warrior Lady.

Of course Chaos is going to run such a selection, along with some control hybrids. But other then that, it's quite easy to lockdown an opponent without mercy. But then you run into yet another problem... you have to have the right Horus deck metatype. I mean, if you're running a Beatdown Horus or a Dragon Horus deck, you are most likely not going to see a lock performed unless they somehow Snatch Steal a Jinzo or something.

And even a pure Horus Control deck wont be easy to run, if you dont get the right cards. So just keep in mind that all in all, Horus DOES = bada$$, and Horus DOES = gamebreaking, but Horus DOESN'T = easy to pull off.

OK, I see that people are using the term game breaking TOO much.

Horus is not broken nor is his effect game breaking. Not when so many monsters have monster removal.

and if you run 3 royal decrees and see that DDWL coming to remove that Horus LV 8, How are you going to divine wrath???

And how will you stop Tribe, x-force, scientist and the like???

Game changing, yes. Close to BLS yes.

But the fact that he doesn't remove monsters from the game, or attack twice, or have such an easy summoning requirement, or can be recurred from the grave so easily, makes BLS that much worse.