Novastar quoted that if JINZO is destroy, Call of the Haunted will be destroyed along with it. Read carefully.

As for the ruling that your TO/Judge has given you, it is absolutely wrong. Please ask him to do a quick refresher by going through the rulings on the UDE FAQ site and/or to confirm rulings by mailing into the judge list (which he should have access to since he is a judge).

I understand jinzo just fine


But it is for the player to play by the rules the judge is using and for that you cannot fault the person obeying the rules he is judged by.

If he is wrong correct him, but it has been a game mechanic that was drilled into me since day 1, even then I desputed it because I beleived jinzo must be on the field for him to effect anything. same reason a face down jinzo is not negating anything.

and as for jinzo negating the call he was special summoned with is acurate call resolves and jinzo is special summoned at which point call is negated and jinzo would not be destoyed should call leave the field.

Good God. Are you even reading what novastar and I posted??? If JINZO is destroyed, Call of the Haunted is destroyed along with it, NOT vice versa.

As for your argument about your judge, it is also the player's responsibility to know the correct rulings. Don't place the entire blame on the judge. I'm sure that you yourself could have done some research and looked up things or even asked around to figure out the right rulings. With that information on hand, you could talk to the judge before or after or even in between rounds to clarify the rulings.

Once Jinzo is no longer on the field, whatever continuous traps that were negated by it become active once again. The same would apply to Royal Decree if destroyed by Breaker or Mobius or MST or Heavy Storm(well this would destroy everything).

as I said I disputed it with him and it has been what I have had to follow for a L-O-N-G time when someone thinks something for a long time you start beleiving it must be true. just because the judge refuses to change you cannot drag an arguement on forever. doing so would have booted me from his tourney. the ONLY UDE sanctioned tourney in a 50 mile range.


as I said this is the ruling I have been under. is it correct by your point of view? no by mine it is a dead horse I refuse to beat any longer. if I go to a tourney and the judge rules it this way or that I follow what he rules. if I feel it is wrong then I let him know I am desputing it. I carry on with the tourney under the rulings he chooses to enforce. perhaps someday he will recognize the truth. it is not like a judge has never been wrong or used the wrong rulings. it happens all the time.

as for my being wrong I have no problem admitting if I made a mistake. I am average and with fault.

this has dragged on for long enough I think, someone with the power please close the thread.

to the world continuous traps reactivate when jinzo leaves.

is that all?

must you drag on about my having followed a mad man?

even fools are forgiven.

and this is getting too deep to be about a card game. and it's not even poker

If you know that your judge (especially one who is judging sanctioned tournaments) is giving improper rulings, it is partially your responsibility (or any player's responsibility for that matter) to help the other players by doing what needs to be done. If your judge is giving improper rulings, the first thing you should do is voice your opinion. Should the judge feel your are incorrect or disregard your comment, then you should take the next step of the process. Go to Yu-Gi-Oh! website and check to see if they have the correct ruling, if it doesn't (and your judge won't believe the many judges here on realms), check http://lists.upperdeck.com/read/all_forums/ . If the judge was incorrect, take the ruling to him/her and try to explain. If the judge will not listen and continues to make bad judge calls, talk to the store owner. Should the judge continue in his/her misjudging and nothing gets better, then you should e-mail Upper Deck and tell them what is going on and possibly have the judge removed.

Sanctioned Tournaments are to be run by responsible, knowledgable judges that look up rulings and will fix mistakes they have made. If a judge is not doing all he or she should be doing and is juding tournaments, then it becomes the players responsiblity to "help the judge". Finally, if all else fails, it is better for one judge to be removed and another judge put in place than all the players be playing under incorrect rulings. Sanctioned Tournaments are counted toward UDE rankings, etc. are are ment to be judged by good, capable judges.

As for Jinzo...
"As long as this card remains face-up on the field, Trap Cards cannot be activated. The effects of all face-up Trap Cards are negated."
This section is applying to the entire card effect, not just the porition before the period, so as soon a Jinzo leaves the field, Traps can be activated and face-up Traps regain their effects.

(from http://www.upperdeckentertainment.co...in2.asp#effect)
Effect Monster Cards

The broad range of Effect Monster Cards are divided into the following types:

FLIP - The monster's effect is activated when the card is flipped from face-down to face-up. The effect is also activated if the card is flipped face-up as a result of a Spell or Trap card, or another monster's attack.

CONTINUOUS EFFECT - As long as this Monster Card is face-up on the field, its effect remains active. When the monster is turned face-down, its effect is no longer active.

COST EFFECT - Costs vary from card to card so be sure to read the instructions printed on each card.

TRIGGER EFFECT - These cards are activated when you inflict Direct Damage to an opponent's Life Points (Direct Damage), or when you have fulfilled a specific requirement indicated on the card itself.

MULTI-TRIGGER EFFECT - These are special Effect Monster Cards that you can activate even if it is your opponent's turn.


Just like the Continuous effect section states, the monster moust be face-up and ON the field. Should the monster be turned down, removed from play, sent to the graveyard, returned to the hand, or returned to the deck, all of its effects stop. In the case of Jinzo, even its Trap negation effect will stop, because it is no longer face-up on the field.

excuse me for interupting but on tornado wall it states that when umi is destroyed the card is also destroyed, since legendary ocean is treated as umi. I would assume that tornado wall is destroyed along with ocean...

Not when Jinzo is negating it... which was the scenario in the first post.

i don't intend to argue with you, but feel your pain...

SoCal used to have a number of judges that ruled incorrectly for a long time. it took a lot of diligence to weed them out, correct them, and get the players into a positive attitude toward the game, then retrain the players accordingly.

i am pleased to see people like Nova and Mortals in NoCal doing the same thing. Curtis (Tripping) in Arizona and a few others in the southwest.

it appears that a trip to Reno may be in order to begin working on the judges there too....

again, i feel your pain. in the beginning i went to tournaments, tried to correct the judges, that were incidentally playing in their own events, and having cards played incorrectly like: Soul Exchange begin used on one monster of mine and the opponent SPECIAL summoning a 7 star with the one tribute, then summoning another monster, too.

it hurts when you finally get into a real event with real rules and you are playing with a large handicap of learning and playing at the same time.


poker... psst... silly game... :laugh:

hopefully you've come into the light. maybe your judge will learn the correct way to play and join the rest of us in the real Yugioh world.

i agree... enough of the negativity. let's leave the thread for constructive discussion, and go forward...

Lol! Crazy Simon.

Seriously though, get this guy to read the new Structure deck booklet for the basic rulings and then introduce him to the YugiohRealms and Ronin.

Just my two cents, later.