Well, I was figuring that may be a problem, but if you look at the wording, I would believe both traps would work.

Although it's all comprised into one monster, there is still 1 fire, 1 earth, 1 wind, and 1 water on the field, is there not? I don't see how else that could be taken, because there has to be a monster on the field for the type to exist. I'd say if you tributed Dryad for the effect, you WOULD meet the requirement, because you tributed a monster of fire type, a monster of earth..etc etc, since dryad does count as each individual type.

And as for the element monsters, there's nothing in their effects limiting them to the number of times they can attack. Unlike BLS, it's text doesn't state "once per turn, you may choose to activate this effect", so, going by what it says, the monster should be able to attack everytime it destroys a monster. If literal wording is what we're going by, then isn't that the case?

yeah it is. That is part of what is frustrating, because no clear templating for card effects has been put into place. What we have instead is the errata and rulings. In this case, it limits certain element monsters with Wind attribute effects to only 2 attacks.

In the case of Fuh-Rin-Ka-Zan, it does state:
"You can only activate this card when there are at least 1 monster each of Wind, Water, Fire, and Earth Attributes face up on the Field...."

One monster each. That particular phrasing disqualifies it, clearly and distinctly, in my mind. I wont say that I cant be proven wrong, and Im interested in the arguments for, but until proven otherwise by more contradictory evidence, I'd have to say no.

For Elemental Burst:
"Tribute 1 each of Wind, Water , Fire, and Earth monsters on your side of the field to activate this card. ..."

In this case, the wording seems to lean towards the importance of the individual attributes, instead of the number of monsters. Since Dryad does contain all the necessary Attributes, I would have considered it to be a more viable option combined with Dryad.

However, on another site, Dillie-O made the logical argument that:
In response, here are some of the replies from that (anonymous) site and thread:
So....

It seems that we are in the same conundrum here. What is the answer, Konami? We are dying to hear.




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haha, just give it a few more days the sneak preview is in 4 days so we should know before then.

but element burst and dryad should be able to work with each other, i mean think of the card advantage here, you lose dryad,eburst,ritual,tribute monster. thats paying 4 cards for a raigeki duster and i feel its kinda even, besides theres still the dozens of chainable cards people use today.

fear the gradius!

Squid did you get that off of net rep? There is nothing about only allowing 2 attacks on the UDE specific card Q&A.

not that this si official or anything, but, on dMcomet it looks like the jap ruligns say it works with fuh Rin Kah Zan.

Personally, i really like this card, it has a lot of potential, searchable by sangan, RFG for the elemental chaos monsters with it, (i ADORE gigantes and silpheed) all ti really eneds is some kindly support from the proper deck. probably a light based deck with a few of the elemental attackers since they and manju are all summonable by shining angel. soul of Purity and light also works well since manju and shinign are both fairies, and i guess Beckoning lgiht woudl work as well since it returns LIGHT mosnters to the hand.

Actually Shining Angel wouldn't help you out too much since Manju's searching effect only works when he's Normal Summoned or Flip Summoned. Soul of Purity and Light only requires Light monsters, not fairies.

However, Shining Angel will help your Light Elemental Monsters.

an important rule about UDE. their not gonna post every possible ruling about a card, so that means you gotta look up a different card with teh same effect, in this case, the almight Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning!

http://www.upperdeckentertainment.co...first=A&last=C

If "Black Luster Soldier - Envoy of the Beginning" attacks and destroys your opponent's monster, then attacks a second time and destroys another monster, it does not get to attack any more that turn.

and if you wanna argue that their different cards so the ruling doesn't apply, take a look at BLS-e effect and the WIND boost for the element monsters.

Actually they don't have the same effect. BLS says that once per turn you can use that effect. Element dragon doesn't. It just says that you can attack once again if it destroys a monster. That is completely different.

Yeah, I agree with stephen on that one. I know you said they don't make individual rulings on each card, but outside of that, is there any reason in the card text that would prevent it from attacking more than once?

And as for the dryad combo-ability, I guess it just comes down to what Konami decides. We'll just have to cross our fingers and hope, although I do see the point you make Squid...I guess it can really just go both ways.

I can't see dryad holding a huge threat in competitive play though, so I believe it would be stupid to cripple it to a level where it would hardly be playable. Maybe something like Dryad Chaos would be invinted, but still, I don't think it would ever be REALLY competitive to the point of being used like CCC is today. Too many bad draws and non versatile monsters. I think if I did make this deck, I would only use 1 Doom and maybe a Saur or Valkyrie. Since they're searchable, clogging your hand with these things and not having any support could get really annoying.

Question about Dryad though, does it count as all these types in the graveyard and deck? What symbol does it have for it's element in the upper right hand corner?

Black Luster Soldier-envoy

If this card destroyed your opponent's monster as a result of battle, it can attack once again in a row.

WIND effect for elements dragon, magician, and doom.

If this card destroyed your opponent's monster as a result of battle, it can attack once again in a row.

im curious as to how those 2 effects are different. they are exactly the same word for word.

ya know what, nevermind, i give up. ive spent too long attempting to help people out when dealing with yugioh. and after all this time, people are still skeptical of every answer i give. yall go on ahead and have your fun with the element monsters but when you do it in front of a real judge and get laughed at because your wrong you'll suddenly realize, hey gk was right all along, but no, we couldnt listen, we had to make cards broken and refused to accept the truth.

edit: you guys strike me as the kind of people who always try to summon monsters like BLS from the deck, because it doesnt say otherwise on the card. if it doesnt say something on the card, then it obviously means we can do this broken thing with it.

GK Curse you are missing one very importand part of BLS-EotB text. The double attack text is exactly the same but there are limmits to BLS power.

Once per turn you can activate 1 of the effects. If you chose to activate the second effect you may only activate it once per turn thus limmiting you to only 2 posssible attacks.

There is no limmiting factor on the wind element monsters. They can attack as many times as they destroy a monster plus their origonal attack.

i would think Dryad would work with Fuh-Rin-Kah-Zan and Element Burst. If you offer it as a tribute for element burst, you've payed the cost. You've offered a fire, wind, water and earth monster. As for Fuh-Rin-Kah-Zan, the 1 monster thing shows that it will still work if there are 2 of one type and 1 of all the others needed. Aaaanyway,

I pulled a FRKZ (Fuh-Rin-Kah-Zan) in my RDS box. I then put it, with the 2 alchemic beings I also pulled and all the traps-cannot-be-activated-in-response-to-the-summoning etc. monsters I had along with some random wind-water-fire-earth monsters. I got to use Fuh-Rin-Ka-Zan at least once a duel, it worked wonders.

Now, I may just be assuming, but I had always inferred that the text of BLS that stated: " Once during each of your turns, you can select and activate 1 of the following effects:..." was meant to make it clear that this was not a summoning triggered effect, in the manner of say Mobius.

I can almost hear the arguments that would have evolved if that sentence had not been written.

Now, Sfair74, I did not pull direct information for the Wind Elements. I was doing exactly what GK Curse did (and what many judges have encouraged me to do), which is extrapolate one ruling and use it to infer the correct play of other effects. Obviously this cannot be taken as written in concrete, as there are many, many instances where individual rulings will contradict each other.

(psst: GK. Dont get so upset. You know there is a 50/50 chance Konami will reverse some previous knowledge that will make us look foolish)......(not that I dont do that to myself easily enough)

However, the final nail in the coffin, for me at least, is that all the Wind attribute effects of the Element monsters say
What the difference? Im placing the importance on the word "once". "It can attack once again". Not "it can attack again"

So, actually there is a limiting condition placed on the effect. Just as there is a limiting/qualifying condition on BLS that prevents it from removing every monster on the field one by one in the same turn, but also allows it to use its effect beyond just the turn it was summoned.

You know, I never thought of that way. Ive tried Monarchs, Homunculus, Archfiends, and Huge Revolution. Yours sounds kind of fun. Especially considering the lower attacks of those monsters, you could attach Heart of Clear Water, activate Messenger of Peace, all sorts of things. I might have to try that.

Ahh, sorry man, didn't mean to get you worked up over this. To me though, it's just frustrating having cards with so much potential, and then to hear from a judge "oh, that doesn't work because of a previous ruling on this and this", when, clearly in the card text, it doesn't share the same stipulation. Now, what squid just pointed out makes sense, with the ONCE thing. Really, they should just make the card text much clearer and specific to prevent confusion like this.

Some rulings still urk me though. IE: Archfiend of Gilfer and Peten the Dark Clown. The whole "it was optional and something happened afterwards andyou lost your opportunity to use it" thing seemed dumb. Why is it that the way it resolves doesn't allow for a pause in the chain to let you either designate a target for the effect or not? It's like saying, well, I attacked your sangan with Inferno, and it was sent to the graveyard, but since you took 1500 damage when it was sent to the graveyard, you missed your timing and can't retrieve a monster from you deck! Har har! Yeah, I know, sangans not optional, I guess I could have used something like SKull Servant King, but he's not out yet, and knowing judges, they'll make the same lame ruling on it. Archfiend had such potential to be an awesome card too ='(

Alright, there was an email sent out to the UDE Judge list to clearify rulings for the Sneak Preview, I think this should clear everything up:

So there you have it. At least we can use one of the two. I'd rather use Fuh-Rin-Ka-Zan since it gives you a wide variety of options. Now it's really time to start planning this deck out.