I know what Birdface does. :tired:

Advantages of Birdface:
+ 1600 ATK/DEF.
a. Decent ATKer/DEFer.
b. Beats most commonly used monsters.
+ Searches out Harpie Lady.
a. Harpie Lady
b. Harpie Lady 1, 2, or 3
c. Cyber Harpie Lady
+ WIND/Winged Beast.
a. Gains from Rising Air Current/Harpie's Hunting Ground
b. Gains from Harpie Lady #1
c. Can be tributed for Swift Birdman Joe

Disadvantages of Birdface:
-CAN'T BE SEARCHED OUT
a. Unlike Flying Kamakiri #1
- Only fetches out Harpie Lady.
a. No additional Birdface
b. No HPBD
c. No Flying Kamakiri
- Adds card to hand rather than the field which could lead to:
a. Spirit Reaper/Don Zaloog
b. Torrential Tribute
c. Hydrogeddon Cancel Out -> SS another Hydrogeddon
d. Bottomless Trap Hole
e. Trap Hole
f. Takes away from SWARMING capabilities
- Becomes dead weight when there is no Harpie's in the deck.
a. Unless I happen to have that Pot of Avarice available...
- Provides nothing to Harpie's Pet Baby Dragon.
a. No doubling of the attack points
b. No Searching out HPBD
c. No protection
d. Adds Harpie to hand rather than the field where it's needed most.
- Flying Kamakiri searches out HPBD and HL and FK#1 and also:
a. Doesn't take away from field presence
b. Receives boost from Rising Air Current/HL#1
c. Doesn't get monsters TT'd, Bottomless/Trap Holed
d. Matches wits with other TUTORS
e. Doesn't become dead weight because more options to choose from.

Because it's a filthy mudblood? :grin:
Plus all it is is just an attacker that if turned against me early on (SNATCH/Brain Control) could hurt. I don't want my opponent having that option... At least, not that easily...
Plus it's a Harpie Lady Deck. Not a WIND/Harpie Support deck. :ermm:

But thanks for returning the favor. And of course I can always sidedeck a Slate Warrior o dos.

Anybody else?? :grin:
Will return the favor! :classic:

Alright, I too am working on making a better Harpie deck so maybe we can help each other.

With my playtesting experience:
I've found Cyber Harpie Lady > Harpie Lady 1
Sure Harpie Lady 1 gives an attack point boost, but what good is she at 1600 ATK most the time you get her? Cyber is always at 1800 ATK. More reliable attack points and is more effective with Hunting Ground than Harpie Lady 1. So, I run 3 Cyber Harpie Lady and don't bother with Harpie Lady 1. I tried 1 Cyber and 2 HL1 and I found Cyber to be more effective majority of the time and HL1 getting easily killed.

Harpie's Pet Baby Dragon = crap.
He is too reliant on Harpies for support. I really don't know why you run 3, if anything I would max to 2, but just running 1 was next to useless for me. I would suggest if you plan on using that many, try running a couple Harpie Girls (yeah, I know they suck BIG TIME, 500 ATK vanilla monster). They will allow you to set off Pet Dragon's effect a little easier.

BUT:
The biggest difference is that my deck isn't just Harpie Lady themed, I also run Sacred Phoenix so that makes our decks quite different.

I haven't tried using (or Proxying) Hysteric Party so it may make the deck run a lot more differently and allow for Harpies to be easier to use and provide better support for Pet Dragon. Although, I would suggest running only 2 since you have to discard to use it.

Ever think of running 1-2 Icarus Attack? That card is awesome!

Anyways, here's my Harpie Phoenix deck so you can see what I'm talking about...

Deck Total: x40

Monsters: x19
1x Sacred Phoenix of Nephthys
2x Harpie Lady Sisters
3x Cyber Harpie Lady
1x Harpie's Brother
1x Breaker the Magical Warrior
2x Enraged Battle Ox
1x Birdface (works GREAT for me by the way)
1x DD Assailant
1x DD Warrior Lady
2x Apprentice Magician
1x Hand of Nephthys
2x Magician of Faith
1x Sangan

Spells: x14
2x Harpie's Hunting Ground
2x Elegant Egotist
1x Graceful Charity
2x Hammer Shot
2x Nobleman of Crossout
1x Scapegoat
1x Premature Burial
1x Snatch Steal
1x Heavy Storm
1x MST

Traps: x7
1x Call of the Haunted
1x Torrential Tribute
1x Mirror Force
1x Dust Tornado
2x Bottomless Trap Hole
1x Icarus Attack

When Hysteric Party is released I will add 2 of them take out something...

My questions to you:
How has Pet Dragon worked for you?
Ever consider Harpie Girl?
How has Hunting Ground worked for you? (works great for me)
How has Swift Birdman Joe worked for you? Is it worth it for just a monster with a Giant Trunade effect?

I've ran like several different Harpie Decks. You have no idea. Haha.

I've gone the Sacred Phoenix route but it is relied on too heavily. Plus a piece of RFG can waste it in no time. And then there goes part of the deck.

Birdface
is a great card, but only if you're running Cyber Harpie Lady over Harpie Lady 1.

Harpie Lady 1 vs. Cyber Harpie Lady
IMO, both are equal cards in some odd way or another. When it comes down to topdecking, I want that Cyber Harpie Lady to deal my damage. But as for field presence Harpie Lady 1 dominates over CHL. Easier to special summon, plus boosts all my other Wind types. I could surely try out three Cyber Harpie Lady, but I prefer to run the Japanese version of CHL than the english. Something about that one...

Harpie Girl
I've only ran in my Vanilla Harpie Lady deck. It revolved around Order to Smash, Soul Ressurrection, Back-Up soldier so I always had Harpie Lady, Harpie's Brother, or Harpie Girl. I was an okay deck... Harpie Girl I'm not to found of... she needs support. Or a reason to be used...

Harpie's Hunting Ground
It's a charm. However I am testing a 1:1 [HHG:RAC] and it's pretty okay. But I also like the 2:1 approach for them as well. Because when it comes to a Harpie Deck, you need as much support for attack that you can get.

Hysteric Party
Use Morphing Jar. It provides you with five more cards so that way you have a hand to use. Because with Hysteric Party, your hand will go fast. But then dump a Harpie Lady Sisters (or something else that can't help you at the time) and PoA them back to the deck...

Also, I noticed for your deck you use Breaker, DDWL, DDA, & Enraged. This deck I was going for straying away from using as many non-WIND types as possible. And as few standard cards... I mean granted they are good, but they aren't something that I choose to use.

The only flaw with Swift Birdman Joe is that you have to tribute a Wind Type monster to get the effect. But that's not a problem. It really does help because many people don't have chainable traps, and so for that turn they are sunk. Unless it's a CoTH for Jinzo/Sangan, which rarely comes up.

my previous Harpie Deck that ran the Phoenix was:

Harpie Lady Sacred Phoenix Formation
Hahahahaha.

Thank you sir for your feedback.
I greatly appreciate it!
I will try that Harpie Girl w/ the Pet Dragon, and maybe reduce the count... we'll see how that goes. And I can't wait for Hysteric Party, proxies haul eggs!

Anybody else? :classic:
Will return R/F's upon request! :grin:

Actually, about Cyber and Harpie Lady 1 being equally useful,...you are correct. Honestly I wish there was the option of side decking some of them (one or the other). I also hope Konami will release more winged beast type monsters ASAP cause we NEED more! Hopefully, they will release a winged beast equavalent of Masked Dragon (1400 ATK that allows you to special summon a dragon when destroyed through battle, kind of like Flying Kamikiri #1 but meant for winged beasts). That way, Icarus Attack could be utilized a lot better (that card is really good)!

I also gave thought to other things:
Ever consider using "Inferno Reckless Summon"? It would work just like Hysteric Party and sometimes better because you can summon the Harpies from ANYWHERE! Also NOT just Harpies but you could summon other things as well! Imagine this:
- Summon Flying Kamikiri
- Suicide it into your opponents monster
- Get it's effect to special summon another Kamikiri
- Activate Inferno Reckless Summon and get the Kamiri that just died AND the other from the deck
- Suicide those Kamikiri's to strategically summon 2 Harpie Lady 1 AND a Harpie's Pet Baby Dragon!
- Instant devastation!

Imagine this combo even moreso with Harpie's Hunting Ground on the field! Also, you could option to summon Harpie Girls and then use them for sacrifices for a facedown Icarus Attack you would have set previously! HARPIE PWNAGE!

So if, maybe you could consider this setup:
-1 Cyber Harpie (I know I said worked better but...)
+1 Harpie Lady 1
BUT
+1 whatever monster
+1 Harpie's Brother (not exactly Harpie Lady, BUT the only other 1800 ATK winged beast type WIND monster out there)

Also I would recommend:
-1 Call of the Haunted (with Hysteric Party, it's almost not needed...almost...)
+1 Inferno Reckless Summon
-1-2 whatever
+1-2 Icarus Attack (trust me....USE THIS CARD!)

So, there you have it!

I actually tested my Harpie Phoenix deck against one of friends deck, who's theme was RFG!!! I got TOTALLY PWNED! It was pathetic! Even worse, he was using Macrocomos (a new card from Enemy of Justice) and it would RFG whenever any card was sent to the Graveyard! So I couldn't even get to use Flying Kamikiri's effect and since he was running 3 DD Survivors with 1800 ATK, my Harpie Lady 1's got PWNED TOO! Not to mention once he used Smashing Ground on my Phoenix she couldn't come back cause she would be RFG TOO! In this case it was actually better for me to have run all 3 Cyber Harpies and used Apprentice Magicians in the place of Kamikiri (see what I mean about side decking Harpies! *sigh* SO UNFAIR)!

Also, do you think Swift Birdman Joe is even worth running in the deck (although, I have to admit that he looks really cool)? He's could end giving you another bad top deck since he's a tribute monster (running Harpie Lady Sisters can really screw you one over pretty bad at times, honestly enough to the point that I've considered only running 1 of them).

Lastly, would you mind taking a look at my Horus Deck and r/fing it? It's been evolving ever since Horus was released and the continued change in the ban list, I've had to constantly change it around. I'm trying to make it tier 1 material so any help/comments would be appreciated.

Here's the URL:
http://www.yugiohrealms.com/forum/sh...ght=Horus+tier

The only thing that prevents this combo from working is the fact that you can't use Inferno Reckless Summon during the damage step. That's the only problem. I was going to try to utilize it in another Harpie Creation:

Reckless Summoning of Harpies

And use Harpie Lady 2 along with 2x HL1.

But because of effect rulings that is not possible... T-T...

I will of course check out your deck! :grin:

Anybody else? :grin:
Will R/F upon request! :classic:

Oh, right....I keep forgetting that about Inferno Reckless Summon.... aw well...nevermind on that one....LOL...

Something else that just came to mind, have you ever given thought to using Night Assailant? It gives removal and since you have a good amount of discarding in this deck and flip effects, it could help...

I did think about that especially since Hysteric Party requires you to discard one card from your hand, and with Morphing Jar. That'd be fun. =D

Not only that, but if you can't discard it then just use it's flip effect monster removal. :grin:

Something I meant to go along with including "Harpie Girl", is that you should also include a couple Icarus Attack. So, this would actually give her two uses, to be used to pump up Harpie's Pet Baby Dragon AND used as a sacrifice for Icarus Attack (since it can be special summoned via Flying Kamikiri). Also, if you decide to go this route I would suggest maybe dropping Breaker for another winged beast to up your tribute fodder (maybe, adding in another 1800 ATK beatstick known as Harpie's Brother). I know dropping Breaker sounds crazy, but he's not needed as much with Icarus Attack since it can destroy ANY card on the field period! Seriously, at least try testing one out.

That's so true. And it wouldn't hurt the flow of the deck that much... hmmm... I'll see into that for sure. Thank you very much Kaiba3B for all of your input so far. :)

Anybody else? :grin:
Will return R/F upon request. :classic:

Sure no problem! Helping you out is helping me out too. Trying to figure out what works with Harpies and all...

The only suggestion I can give you is to add the third Elegant Egotist. Since it can special summon Harpie Lady or the Sisters, it won't be a waste if your Sisters are already in the Graveyard. Plus you use PoA so it might come in handy to have the third after your Harpies are sent back to the deck.
I'm surprised you decided to go with the Harpie Girls. I have the same view you used to have: weak vanilla monster = not worth using. Have they been working well? Do they ever hurt more than they help?

Thanks for looking at my Harpie Deck.

Yeah... I mean Harpie Girl = 500/500 Vanilla Monster. The only pluses she has going for her is...

Order to Charge
Order to Smash
Soul Ressurection
Harpie's Pet Baby Dragon

Plus you can use her as discard bait, which never hurts. The only time she hurts is being your only monster to defend/attack with. :disappoin

She needs support cards to be strong, but I doubt she'll ever get anything. So at best you can use her to start up the Pet Dragon engine, or to use Pet Dragons third effect.


I see where you are going with three Elegant Egotists and it may just be something to consider. ;)
Gracias.

And it's like Kaiba3B said...

So I am glad I could help you out as well. :grin:

Anybody else? :grin:
Will return R/F upon request. :classic:

-Harpie Girl
-Harpie Girl
+Magician of Faith
+Tsukuyomi

-Card of Safe Return
+Elegant Egotist

Harpie Girl fits the theme, but is useless, sadly. Elegant Egotist should always be run in threes. Even if you get both sisters out, you can still get a harpie #1 of Cyber Harpie.

please return the favor. (link in sig)

Actually, Harpie Girl works with Harpie's Pet Baby Dragon and 3 Elegant Egotists can be a bad top deck.

The problem with harpies hunting ground is that if they dont have any M/T cards on the field you have to destroy your own cards.
+1}Aqua chorus
+1}elegant egotist(search for harpie lady)

Please R/F my decks.