Darkness Approaches is the only card in the game that can result in a face-down attack position monster.

The rules we have that we have been going off of have not changed and seeing as how they were created before the release of Darkness approaches and since it is not a widely used card I can understand why this question has never come up for them to have to look at the rules and state one way or the other. The only thing I have here is that morphing jar is summoned, then flipped face down with darkness approaches, remaining in attack mode, why would he not be able to attack at that point? Where in the rules does it say that a monster in attack mode can not attack? Entering the damage step the monster would be flipped just like in the rules and just because it is face down that doesn't stop the damage step from being entered, at that time you would apply any and all attack modifiers and values and damage would be calculated, as far as magic cylinder and the like the damage done to the opponent would be 0 but it would negate the attack. This is what I think should be the correct ruling on that. Please someone tell me why a face down monster according to this logic cannot attack if it is in attack position.

People keep saying a face down monster can't attack, but there is no rule anywhere that I can find that says this. One card can do this so there needs to be a ruling. Not just people assume it can't because it's weird.

I agree with frostbyte3964 in every word.
also I think that if you attack with a face down attack position monster the opponent cannot activate Magic Cylinder just because you cannot apply all the effect (the direct damage part)
Konami should create monsters that can be summoned in face down attack position with at least 1500 ATK. Just for fun.

I agree with frost on this. I think it should be able to declare an attack because it is in atk position. In the damage step it would flip face up like any othe face down monster. Just my 2 cents.

D.D.

Go to the rule book on the UDE website.

HERE

Go to page 29. Look under battle step and you will see this.

Select 1 monster on your side of the field to attack with, and 1
of your opponent’s monsters as your attack target, and then
declare an attack. If your opponent does not have any monsters
on the field, you can attack directly. Play then proceeds to the
Damage Step. Afterwards, the attacking player returns to the
Battle Step, and repeats this procedure. Normally, each face-up
Attack Position monster is allowed 1 attack per turn. Monsters
don’t have to attack if you don’t want them to.

There, its in the rules....

Yes now I'm definitely running 3 of these in my deck...

While it's good to know it doesn't really change the game that much...

but I have wanted to know this forever.

yes but then we go back to the whole "this rule was written before Darkness Approaches was printed." thing. I'm not disagreeing with you simon I understand the logic you're presenting here because it says face up attack, my thing is that nowhere in the rules does it say a face down monster cannot attack, usually they can not because they are in defense but in this special case with a card that changes the rules of the game. Don't the rules also say that if a card tells you to do something that goes against game mechanics then the card is always right?

Sorry but I didn't understand why did you use the bold letters there. That part of the text was for monsters such as mataza and hayabusa. Also it says "Normally" so there must be an exception (mataza for example). But my trouble here is the word NORMALLY

They are referring to normally, each face-up ATK monster is allowed one ATk per turn. Note that they didn't just say ATK Position monster.

This rulebook is also the current one, as is everything on the current UDE website.

zilvermonkey, now you are using what ZaQ777 would call circular logic, which is not something that we should be applying. Just because something doesn't say that you can't doesn't mean that it can isn't a very good argument in Yu-Gi-Oh!

yeah really(to blues post) and
you cant summon in face up deffense can you... making sure for the noobs at my tourny because a huge argument broke out and well we somewhat got disqualified for stalling ending the match in a draw

oh okay why would you run that card any ways
and imm agrreeing with simon on this one its gotta be in face up atk postion to atk

You can't. Read the rulebook. That is all.

And here I thought my logic about being at 1 LP was stupid...then I come in here and see all this on the worse -3 in the game.

zilvermonkey made an important comment (at least for me)

Take in consideration the card Light of Intervention for example, the card rules explicit say that if you want to set a monster when the card is active you have to summon the monster in face up defense position. And the rulebook states that you have to set the monster in face down defense position and doesn´t state the contrary.

That´s why the rulebook doesn´t state every case that would happen because it can´t cover all of the cards.

The rulebook states the way to play when there are not in effect this kind of cards that changes the rules, it does state some common examples of course.

Hope this made you all understand my point of view.