I think Kenjiblade posted something about what Magus is referring to, as I remember that as well. I'll try to find it, but I think it was referring to Mind Crush.

Here it is....

re: Mind Crush (SOD) 2004-12-10 18:08:00 <Jeff Burmeister>


Player A activates Mind Crush naming a card. Player B claims to have one copy of the named card and discards it from his/her hand. Shouldn't player B have to reveal his/her hand to Player A to verify that he/she does not actually have two or three copies of the named card in his/her hand?

Thanks,

Jeff Burmeister
Level 1 Judge Yu-Gi-Oh!

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Answer:

You are only allowed to look at your opponent's hand when they claim to have 0 of the named card in their hand.

If the opponent only claims to have 1 of the named card and discards it, you may have a judge check your opponent's hand to verify that they have no other copies in their hand.

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Now, conversely, if the opponent sends one card from their Deck for the effect of Nobleman of Crossout, the same should apply, as they have "fulfilled" the requirement of the effect by "searching and sending".

But we get back to the topic in hand anyways,

while the Crossout reference implies players have to do that, we can't just assume that because of our uncertainty we will be able to call a judge over every single time this happens or we have a doubt.

Now an issue with that is that Mind Crush doesn't say "look/check your opponent's hand", if it was D.D. Designator it would be a different story, BUT a ruling under it says:

theres has been too much overseeing this types of effects over time.

Just to point out a slight detail. That mind crush ruling that masterwoo0 posted only says that you can have a judge verify if they removed at least one copy, and that if they don't remove any then the player is allowed to verify.

This could be the way it's supposed to be with things like NoC, that if they remove at least 1 copy that the player doesn't check, but a judge can.

Neither does NoC or chain disappearance. They don't actually say to do any verification, that is merely done as part of the game mechanics, the same as effects that have you search the deck don't need to say to shuffle afterwards, it's a mechanic.

I actually think the main reason for that mind crush ruling is because otherwise mind crush would be broken. Unless your opponent happened to have 3 copies of the card you named you'd get to take a free look at their hand. Now you can still pretty much guarantee a free look by naming a card you know they wouldn't play, but you'd be making the choice of using mind crush to see their hand, or using it to try and get rid of something that can hurt you.

Well not exactly for you too check your opponents, but they do mention a review being done...

I don't see anywhere on the cards saying anything about any verification or review:
None mention anything of the sort. Verification only exists as a ruling/mechanic for all of the cards.

I'm not saying that the opponent checks (text wise)

Originally Posted by Nobleman of Crossout
Destroy 1 face-down monster and remove it from play. If the monster is a Flip Effect Monster, both players must check their respective Decks and remove all monsters of the same name from play. Then shuffle the Decks.


Chain Disappearance on the other hand, I didn't remember the exact text.

Nevermind me, temperature here is at 42C so im not thinking with my head anymore.