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If you look at the Canadian players army (name eludes me at the moment), who WON THE WHOLE THING, his army was almost completly faction pure, only one piece, the SW j-37, now easily replacesd by a baisl.
Originally posted by mech snoop
[b]The survey was scientifically conducted with analyses by official wizkids employees and consultant Ph. D. Pretty much the bottom line is faction war equals "no increase booster sales AT THE VENUE". If you have gamed for a long time, you probably heard about the recent ban of games workshop online sales. Most game manufacturers (including wizkids) agree that online sales destroy the gaming industry, does not promote healthy community gaming, but rather hurt overall longevity of the game.
That was bad research. WK should ask for its money back from the consultant. We all know how useless PHDs are. People who stay in college cause they are too smart for the real world.
The venues I visit could not stock enough DFA boosters prior to Faction War. Everyone I game with increased their overall collections 25-50% in preparation for this thing. Anyone in the MW community could tell you this much.
If WK does not like the online sales, why do they include chase units in each set?? These bad boys drive the online market and drive down the value of boosters. The 3-4 "broken" pieces in each set make the rest of the collection worthless.
I dont understand mech snoops logic when trashing on faction purity. He says faction purity is dumb because the only way to be competitive is to not play pure. That is why faction purity is so necessary. With mixed armies it is unfair because you have all the advantages of a faction without the disadvantages.
Overall we dont want faction purity to make us more likely to win. We want the game to be balanced and see a more variety of units, instead of a few awesome pieces from every faction in an army.
1) Someone must earn the right to be called a troll. The individual in question has not, and is hereby deemed a petty-goblin.
2) A point to ponder: Would more faction pure events drive more booster sales? My contention is that it would, as more people would be in search of a wider selection of units than just the 'cherries'.
Originally posted by lt_murgen 2) A point to ponder: Would more faction pure events drive more booster sales? My contention is that it would, as more people would be in search of a wider selection of units than just the 'cherries'.
I think thats EXACTLY what you saw during Faction Wars. Singles that had sat around for 6 months were suddenly snapped up. Boosters, at least DFA, at the retail level were hard to come by.
Alas, WK "reseacher" reached a different conclusion.
They better not make tourneys all faction pure because me and my friend arent allowed to spend big money on figs and we dont really have the money or resources.
I love playing against faction purity people......I usually know what they are going to playing with before they even field it. So predictable.....gota love them ;) .
People play FP because it's FUN. And because it makes you better.
I'd bet on anybody who plays FP Highlanders most/all of the time (like myself and numerous others) to win, because, if you can win FP HL, you can win anything.
Most people play MWDA for fun. FP is fun. Besides, why even MAKE factions if they didn't intend for FP play?
i am not a fan of faction purity but the people that do use faction pure armies should have a slight bonus maybe a certin faction only ablity or maybe a few extra points because it is harder to win with faction pure armies against some one who is using a mixed army containing what is believed to be the best of the faction
Actually, the WK staff did ask BM and the venues how were sales for the event. The resounding reply was that the Faction war event itself generated no sales. All it created was LE hunters. people were bringing 4 different faction armies to the event, and finding out which ones were not being played and play that one. For a few exceptions almost everyone who went to these events walked away with and LE, and some of them didn't even have the figures to build the correct army, but "borrowed" a persons army. This is certainly not the kind of environment that WK would encourage.
As for faction purists being better players, that is really a lot of BS. if you want to see a real test of skill do a booster draft. Every faction has it's form of cheese that best suits them. (DF with tank drop, and donars, BR with Repair and infiltrators, etc.) The real test of skill is trying to win a game with a few ICE mechs a half decent VTOL, and 6 infantry that cannot move as a formation.
But, WK does know that faction purity is popular, and that is why they came out with 4 units for each non-unique sculpt. More factions get figures of a certain sculpt.
The biggest problem with enforcing faction purity is that when a kid shows up, and his collection consists of a starter and 3 boosters. He wants to use his own figures. Are you going to tell him that he cannot play with his figures because they are not all of the same faction? or that he can play only if he barrows this faction pure army? No wonder it is hard to find new players.
as a last word, I think someone who fields a faction pure army will earn a bit more respect in the eyes of his players and even people just looking in on the games. A faction pure army looks very nice on the battlefield with its coordinating colors
Originally posted by mlotoole0 That was bad research. WK should ask for its money back from the consultant. We all know how useless PHDs are. People who stay in college cause they are too smart for the real world.
The venues I visit could not stock enough DFA boosters prior to Faction War. Everyone I game with increased their overall collections 25-50% in preparation for this thing. Anyone in the MW community could tell you this much.
If WK does not like the online sales, why do they include chase units in each set?? These bad boys drive the online market and drive down the value of boosters. The 3-4 "broken" pieces in each set make the rest of the collection worthless.
i agree totaly i know i baught more stuff in preparation for faction wars but the broken stuff doent make every thing else worthless youve just have to learn to counter it
Faction Wars was an overwhelming success for WK. Eightthousand plus players speaks for itself. But if you need more data, let's do some rough math.
1 Booster = roughly 150pts. of units.
1 Booster = roughly $7.50 (averaging overall prices...veyr rough figure)
Faction Wars requirement = 1200pts. of one faction
So every player in the event must meet the requirement of 1200 pts. for one faction. So, each player would need about eight boosters worth of material (in a super-ideal world). That's about $60 per player. So thus:
8000 players * $60 worth of material = $480,000 dollars in sales.
Now, we don't live in an ideal world, so obviously some players will need to buy more boosters, others will need to buy less. However, most players will be in the situation where you need to buy more then the minimum, and trade with others to meet it. So then, you could easily add $100,000 to $300,000 to that total, and still have a fair degree of accuracy to the revenue it generated.
And as for the expense of Faction War? Let's put a nice, big fat number in there...how about $150,000? For all the prize support, mailings, promotional materials, etc.
That still leaves you with anywhere from $530,000 to $630,000 in gross profit from the event.
How is that a bad thing? And this only looks at Faction Purity requirements from a money standpoint with a single event. How many players do you know that collect a faction outside of these events? How many that go to great lengths to ensure their collection is complete? These are the people that drive the sales, the ones that have a vested interest in both the game and the story of the game.
People whom play mixed faction (ie. highly competitive) armies are less likely to drive the primary market (booster sales), and are more likely to drive the secondary market (e-bay, singles retailers, online venues, etc.). Which is better for the game? You decide.