The metagame is what makes this game go round. Thats what people talk about. Metagame and constructed decks. Where is all the talk about drafting, where are all the draft tournaments. Regardless of what you think about draft, constructed is what keeps things going. I do understand that people want to play sealed and draft, (i didnt say to ignore them) that is why they should have seperate tournaments. Not everyone wants to be the best overall player. Maybe some people want to be the best constructed, sealed or draft player.

grimmer: With your logic this game would fail. The game is doing well not because people have no money and have to draft instead, it is doing well because people do have money. Also, where are all the 10,000 CC draft tourneys?

Remember this: Constructed gets two days, draft gets one.

Personally, I love it just the way it is.

They are coming. Jeff said this on the Yahoo group.

I dont think draft decides "skill" as much as constructed does. If anything it presents more luck to the situation.

stubarnes: I reading some older forum topics today, and I have come to the conclusion that you love everything. So give me some of whatever your on. :)

You can't netdeck in draft... it requires much more skill than constructed.

Look gottr it has pretty much been surmised since the day the PC was announced that it would have some sort of limited component.

*Disclaimer* NOT MEANT TO FLAME *Disclaimer*

Your stand on that limited format is not what being a good player is about is just short of utter stupidity. Any shmoo can get themselves 4 genoshas and 4 Ferals and have a really good shot and winning a tourney as long as they are lucky enough to get favorable matches but draft takes all the skills that are needed to be a solid player. The top players should not have any issues one way or the other on a limited portion in fact some would prefer it because they know that they have a huge advantage in draft over the run of the mill net decker (not that there is anything wrong with that). The top tier players of every game I have ever been associated with have been extremely good at draft, sealed, and constructed meaning they are the best all around. The PC is all about the best all around player and not the best net decker (not that there is anything wrong with that).

They are different skills. The debate will always continue over which involves more skill. Constructed involves luck as well in guessing the metagame and getting good matchups as opposed to bad matchups. Then there is the skill to play the deck and knowledge of how to play known matchups. Draft involves the skill of being able to read signals sent by your opponent and knowing when to draft what in order to make the best possible deck. It isn't just "oh look, i got a 7-drop so I win". There is a lot of skill involved that can only be attained thru practice or natural ability, just like with constructed.

No, it wouldn't. The game is doing well because of both parts of the equation, not just the "people buy boxes to get cards to play constructed", but also the "people get together and draft which sells a box each time it occurs". Many people have the money to spend but choose to use it to draft instead of simply buying cards to play constructed. In fact, most experienced players argue that the worst thing to do with an unopened booster pack is to open it. You are better served to draft with it, get the experience with cards you might be unfamiliar with, still get cards you need to play constructed and win more packs to draft with or open if you desire. I can't afford to buy boxes from the local store, but I can afford to draft regularly. Without those of us that draft, many of the local shops wouldn't have as much income, so we support the game as well. It isn't all about those who purchase boxes and singles to play constructed. When you realize that, you'll understand why 1/3 of the tournament is draft instead of being all constructed.

Hay guys I just realized that Gen Con isn't all draft but is part constructed!!! That totally sucks. Since I haven't bothered to learn how to play constructed yet I figured I'd make a thread whining about this.

Draft is more skill-testing than Constructed. That is a FACT.

Touche my good sir. Touche!

Lurking Evil: I did say you can flame, so I guess your comments are ok. But if you want to have an intelligent conversation then feel free to type some more, if not, feel free to type some more. Either way though my 2 year old is more intelligent than you.

How do you quote? Anyway.

"No, it wouldn't. The game is doing well because of both parts of the equation, not just the "people buy boxes to get cards to play constructed", but also the "people get together and draft which sells a box each time it occurs"."

1 box for a draft or 3 boxes for just one person. Which will sell more. I am NOOOOOOOOOOOOT saying that there should not be a draft tournament. I am saying that it should be SEPERATE from the Constructed tournament. For these reasons:

1. Not enough time to prepare
2. In my opinion it is more luck
3. You dont get full benifits of this game in draft, ie. loyalty, reinforcing, team attacking, which are all very important.

Where was draft this whole time leading up to this tournament???????????????? No where. It was sealed and constructed. Not everyone netdecks. Some cards are obviously going to be in a certain deck. Then there are tons of decisions that you have to make on what else to put in your deck.

Now I want everyone to read this next line before they post, except for Lurking Evil (I am not sure he can read yet):

I am not apposed to draft tournaments, my stand is that they should be seperate from other formats.

That may be possible in the future, but since this PC contained PCQs that were both constructed and sealed, it wouldn't be practical to exclude those that qualified via limited and it wouldn't be practical to have 2 tournaments at the same time for half the money due to the manpower necessary to run a tournament at this level.

Sealed is much more luck than draft which is why MOST of the sealed top 8's were draft. You do get the full benefits of the game (loyalty, reinforcing, team attacking, etc.) in limited if you draft well. If you draft poorly you will simply have a random collection of characters that will probably be crushed. If you draft well, your characters will support each other and consist of one or two teams that can likely be teamed up. As for the "time to prepare" issue, they announced it some time ago in order to provide time to prepare. I've had time to prepare as have most players that are attending the PC. If you chose to spend your time preparing for constructed instead of spending some time preparing for draft when it was announced that it would be included, that is your decision. It doesn't mean that they should create a second tournament to satisfy one or a few players instead of trying to satisfy the majority of the players.

How magnanimous of you.
The "reply with quote" function works ok. Also, you can press quote and paste what you're quoting in, or just put quote tags around the words. But I'm sure you could've just asked your 2 year old.

Thing is, once someone has all the cards he needs from a set, playing limited is the only way he'll buy any more of the set.

Besides, you have to understand that UDE is trying to attract all kinds of players. While casual players overwhelmingly favour constructed, many serious players of magic play limited almost exclusively. Since the Pro Circuit exists almost entirely as advertising for the game, why wouldn't they want to have the first one appeal to as wide a range of players as possible.
What you have to understand is that the point of the PC isn't those of us who have qualified. It's to attract other players to jump up to more serious play (thus buying more cards) or attract players of other games.

I'd be very surprised if every subsequent PC was both draft and constructed. But why shouldn't the first one show off both sides of the game?

There's been as much time as there has been for constructed involving DC. The fact that this isn't enough time seems to contradict your second reason...

...which is ok because your second reason is contradicted by reality anyway.
The fact that you say this leads me to believe that the real reason you're complaining is that you're horrible at draft. In a good draft deck you have these things.

The majority of the sealed tournaments had a draft top 8. It clearly wasn't "no where". I do however wish that the draft top eight had been required, so all who'd q'd via sealed would be in the same boat, but then again, it's DC draft and not marvel, so they are anyway.

I doubt I need to draw any more intention to that utterly pathetic insult.

I'm pretty sure you meant to say "opposed". It must suck to be corrected by an illiterate.

Every PCQ that I went to had a draft for the top 8. If they didn't then the TO obivously didn't understand how sealed luck based sealed is compared to draft and/or they didn't want to shell out for the extra packs.

I feel just the opposite. If limited were not included in every PC I feel that the winner would not represent the best all around player. Don't get me wrong the winner would still be very skilled. But if it were me I would want the benefit of having had to play limited and knowing I was the best at both.



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