yes savage beatdown would still be used if overload was never printed, the question to ask yourself is if nasty surprise would have ever been used if overload was never printed, savage beat down is like everyone says arguably the best attack pump in the game, i personally think it is over rated, but i use it because i cant pass up +5 attack

Savage Beatdown isnt that much better then:

Megablast
No One Escapes the Manhunters
Flying Kick

Some deck its better others its not.

With overload banned its not nearly as good as it was. Some deck its better others its not.

Ill agree tho in CS Savage Beatdown is alot better then Flying Kick or megablast.

It's Clobberin Time(sp) is imo better then Savage Beatdown now only if it wasnt team stamped. /sigh

Savage Beatdown is not overrated at all.

Please give me: 2 decklists for Top 8's at PC or $10K that have Megablast. (good luck)

Megablast isnt good. Just put your character in the front row and use Savage.

Standard 3 Drop has 4 ATK plus Savage equals 9 ATK, which is the Standard DEF for a 5 Drop.

Standard 4 Drop has 7ATK plus Savage equals 12ATK, which is the Standard DEF for a 6 Drop.

Which means it can jump twice up the curve.

Thats why its so good, and thats why the Top players use it in combat decks.

Flying Kick has its obvious advantage, but through testing and results, the additional +2ATK or +4ATK when used twice is better.

It is the best combat trick/pump.

Didn't two decks in the PC top 8 use Megablast?

Squadron Supreme x2

4 Joystick
4 Ape X
4 Shape
4 Melissa Gold ◊ Songbird
1 Foxfire
4 Lady Lark
4 Golden Archer
4 Albert Gaines ◊ Nuke

4 Surprise Attack
4 Flying Kick
4 Mega-Blast
4 Answer the Call
4 Panacea Potion
2 Other-Earth

1 Rocket Central

1 Dual Sidearms
2 Jetpack
4 Thunder Jet
1 Airskimmer

Yup. 8 Megablasts in the Top 8.

-Mike

You make me laugh alot sir.

I dont mean this to sound like a smart coment but, its pretty obvious that the only reason the Supreme decks have it is so they can clear their hands at will.

Not because its a better Plot Twist.

Its the 1/1000.

And i read the coverage.

Which is better varies by deck.

To swear Savage Beatdown is the bestest best best always! Is amazing.

If i didnt go home in 45 mins id go through and list pro's and con's of them all and different decks that benefit more from "insert X pump". Pure raw attack isnt always the best look at the Avengers +7 pump now how awesome is it ?

Steven Rosario

Characters
4 Scarlet Spider ◊ Spider-Man, Successor
2 Spider-Man, Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man
4 Ricochet, Johnny Gallo
2 Julia Carpenter ◊ Spider-Woman, Web Weaver
4 Spider-Man, Peter Parker
1 Spider-Man, Alien Symbiote
4 White Tiger
3 Scarlet Spider, Ben Reilly
1 Ezekiel, Spirit of the Spider
4 Spider-Man, The Amazing Spider-Man
2 Spider-Man, Cosmic Spider-Man
2 Nova, Richard Rider

Plot Twists
3 Null Time Zone
3 Unmasked
3 Flying Kick
4 No Man Escapes the Manhunters
4 Spider-Tracer
3 Reconstruction Program
4 Costume Change

Locations
3 Avalon Space Station

Did he lose the 10k cause he played flying Kick and No man ?

NTZ is probably the most overrated card in the game for the general decks, and underated in control decks in my opinion, but thats just me.

Savage beatdown is the best atk pump in the game, but again it depends on the deck, in a supper aggro deck flying kick is more than likely better, and trial by fire is good to, it all depends on the deck.

Savage Beatdown is good, but completely unnecessary. By that, I mean its value. Its only that value due to the previous SNO era.

With...
* Call to Arms
* Trial by Fire
* Mega-Blast

is that additional +1 really that critical? The defense gap between each drop is usually 2-3. I've always since MOR considered SB...BS.

You pointed out the flaw in your own assessment Pancakeman. If the average defense gap between each drop is 2-3 the what is the average def gap between 2 drops. Thats right folks its 5, funny that???

I dont really think of SB as overhyped or overated its just what it is, the biggest generic attack pump. It will always have a home but its not always the best pump for a deck.

I think the perception of hype about it comes from newer players who are struggling with gettign a playset together. A reprint of Savage in one of the upcoming sets would help aleviate this and I'm all for it.

How's the averge def gap between 2 drops 5? A 2 drop is usually 2/3, 3/2. With the occasional 3/3, 4/1's and the ONE 1/4.

He means between two drops... not 2-drops. That's a somewhat true formula. The 4-6 gap is 5 (7 to 12). Earlier gaps average to about 4.5, leaning a bit towards 4. The 5-7 curve gap is bigger, typically closer to 6 or 7. The +3 ATK bonus is the ideal for a simple crossover attack. In the mid-game, +5 is useful for a double-up-curve swing, but +4 is also normally sufficient with an aggressive character curve.

Most Overrated: Zero Hour

By the time that you stall out to turn 9, and put out Paralax, the game should be decided anyway...Do many other decks run a 9 drop to compete with old Hal? Nay. With an OA out there, he'll do enough damage to end most games.

I know players that still insisted on using the 4 Zero Hours that could've been combat pumps.

Acrododge. In this ATK pump meta, all its really good for is keeping you from getting a stun back on the attacker.