Wait...

I remember in a recent story arc that Doom sacrificed his childhood love Valeria in order to gain master of sorcery. Wasn't the demon he sacrificed her to Mephisto?

Nope, that was a group of 3 demons that were not Mephisto.

I forget what they were called though.

-Mike

They were the Haazareth Three.

I think if theyre going to redo X-Men and The Brotherhood, then they can redo the Fantastic 4 and Doom.

With teams like X-Statix, Morlocks and Hellfire Club sporting many loner-based tactics, could we not see a loner-based Doom? Or new F4 cards that can only be used if you control all 4 of them, like 4 Freedoms, or Marvels First Family? (I know you dont need them ALL for the last one)

And I think somebody needs to calm down and do a roster count.

There are only so many of Doom's toadies/associates to print. At this point, the whole of the Marvel U can be scoured and it might cough up 3 more characters for Doom to put on his team.

The other guys are named The Fantastic FOUR. They've already done "New Fantastic Four" versions, as well as printing anyone who has ever remotely been involved with the day to day actions of Marvel's First Family. There is simply no one left for this affiliation.

The X-Men and their subsidiaries have a roster numbering in the Hundreds. The same can be said of the Brotherhood. They simply have more bodies to put on cards. More individual characters.

I for one hope that we don't see a new Dr. Doom printed anytime soon. Just like I think we've hit our Wolverine, Spiderman, Daredevil, Superman and Batman Quotas (even if those last two sting a little :( ).

I just can't fathom who they could scrape together to put on Doom's team. Maybe we could see the Six Pack as Doom Affiliation? I mean, they have nothing in common except for the fact that they barn superhero teams, but apparently that is enough in some circles. ;)

6 out of 27 of the new X-Men characters are new. The other 21 are rehashes of old characters. Also, the Acolytes don't even seem to have that much to do with the actual Brotherhood of old, besides worshipping Magneto. Therefore, they seem more like a whole new team to me. And out of the rest of the MXM Brotherhood, 3 characters are new.

So basically, we have three new teams and a load of rehashed characters.

So why can't they rehash F4 and Doom?

I am calm. I took my pills. The pills I forgot to take yesterday when I was posting elsewhere on this site.

I'm not joking.

Actually, the Acolytes and the Freedom Force are from the same era in Brotherhood History. They were the two splinter groups that were created when the original members of the Brotherhood were working for the government ala Suicide Squad (albeit a lot less interestingly), and Magneto had surrounded himself with a new group of willing supplicants.

It's hard to see a group Magneto is aligned with and/or leading, and not think of it as the Brotherhood. That was just as much a Brotherhood offshoot as The New Brotherhood or the Freedom Force, IMHO.

How are they going to rehash the Fantastic Four? Not only are they out of new, viable characters, they have already done every version that I personally can think of for the primary 4. Each and every member of the original 4 has enough versions to cover all of their personality quirks. I just don't see anywhere new to go with them.

Doom is out of characters. Doom is out of viable play types. Doom is out of forms of control to exploit. Doom is spent.

Sorry. :(

Heh heh.

FOOL!

Doom only needs ONE character:

DOOM! :devious:

Of the 33 X-Men characters who currently exist in the game, 18 of them have appeared in several hundred comics. Most of the others have appeared in at least one hundred.

Of the 15 non-army Doom characters who currently exist in the game, only 8 of them have appeared in more than three storylines, and only 3 of them have been affiliated with Dr. Doom on more than one occasion.

They're not even remotely in the same league.

Nevertheless, Doom is undoubtedly one of the most popular characters in the comics, and in the game.

Plus, Dr Doom has encountered just about every other comicbook character in his time, and slapped them around like ginger stepchildren by himself, therefore: loner strategy.

Ah, but if they went full loner with Doom, it wouldn't be a main team, would it? It would be Fearsome Five sized at most.

I hate to keep shooting holes in the dreams of children (not that I think you are one, but it seems to be an appropriate visual here), but doom has never actually beaten anyone. That is why he's still just the dictator of a second rate Baltic state. It stands to reason that if he had, he would be much more powerful and influential than he really is.

Also, Doom never fights his own battles willingly. He would much rather manipulate someone into doing it for him or, failing that, throw wave after wave of his minions into the path of his adversary allowing him to escape. Ideally for Dr. Doom, the only time he would come into contact with his enemies is when he actually physically crushes their skull under his heel. Which never actually happens.

A loner strategy would seem to be out of flavor.

It is true that Doom has been stretched on non-army characters to add to his roster. Of course...his team still lacks what it takes to stand by themselves. He is the most splashed character in the game. His 4 drop and associated plot twists are reasons in themselves to side with Doom. But, I still think Doom needs Legacy content. It has been mentioned that Doom is a coward, that he uses his minions to do his dirty work...but his minions are really only work with Doom or has his affiliation... Doom needs a way to abuse his minions like he does in the comics. Plot Twists, Locations, equipment, ways to use them. Look at Doom's Throne room....Doom decks have, on average, the least amount of characters (I am refering to Gamma Doom, the only competitive "Mono-Doom" deck to date). What about a deck with 60...70...even 80% of just plot twists. Plot twists that represents his style of combat and powers. Doom shall come down to crush the skulls of his enemies...he'll acctually kill them from a far. A bit of refining of the existing characters...with a massive source of extra goodies...that's what Doom needs. He also could keep up with Dual-Affiliation. It's how Arkham gained so much power in one set. Just because this game is centered on the characters, doesn't mean it has to be centered around Doom's characters. Think like Doom, use resources the way he would.

He does.

Devil's Due? That seems pretty Minion intensive to me.

Like Decoy Program? Making a minion look like Doom so that he can escape. Sounds about right.

Ok, you got me there.


Printing the cards necessary for a viable Doom deck with 60-80% plot twists would do ridiculous things to the Golden Age Meta. Doom already shows up enough with 2 of the most over powered plot twists in the game, let's not give him 15 or 16 more.

I realize that everybody is thinking about this from a fanboy standpoint. It's just not viable for the game to print more Doom. It would either be a waste of cardboard or wreck the meta. I just don't see it happening.

Well, Doom has actually conquered the world at least twice ( see : Emperor Doom and Planet Doom ) , but gave it up willingly, and his intellect has always been shown to be equal to Reed Richards but with an understanding of the mystical. Also, Latveria under Doom's rule has been shown to be a prosperous state with much more influence than it should have . So yeah, Doom is not to be underestimated, but I agree with you wholeheartedly Batshido that he is spent . Let the affiliation go people !

The reason Dr Doom hasn't beaten anyone is simple:

He's a VILLAIN.

And I hate to repeat what so many people have pointed out, but Dr Doom HAS actually conquered the world, a couple of times at least. Plus he conquered the planet that Franklin Richards sent everyone to after they were "killed" by Onslaught.

He conquered the world once by using a mind control gas, which he was then subjected to, nullifying the effect, then by plugging the Purple Man into a machine which Doom used to subjugate the minds of the entire planet.

And so what if it's only enough for a "Fearsome Five sized deck"? If Doom were to appear in Heralds, it probably only would be a secondary team anyway.

The point I was originally trying to make is that if the F4 appear in Heralds, then Doom mustn't be far behind. He and the F4 are inexorably linked by the hatred between Doom and Richards. And besides, isn't it the fair thing to do, since the other two main teams from Origins were brought up to date? Aren't all the people who were crying for a "leader" cyclops clamouring for a "leader" Doom, or "leader" Reed Richards?