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I like the Superman that you see in the cartoon show. He is vulnerable to some extreme stuff, and yet he is still the best in the world. He's better than everyone else, but that doesn't make him immortal and undefeatable. He is really well done there.
In the comics, well, it seems at times that it's either Kryptonite or occasionally something like mind-control that's required to take out Superman. It seems like if you're expecting someone to fight Superman, they don't have mind control powers, and they're halfway intelligent, then they have Kryptonite ready. That kind of predictability just gets boring after a while. (And, if they did the mind control enough, IT would get boring, too.)
On Captain America:
Main universe Cap has never been my favorite, but, likewise, I've never had much of a problem with him. His Ultimate and 1602 incarnations I absolutely love, however. Then again, that can be said about pretty much anything with an Ultimate or 1602 incarnation (with the exception of Ultimate Doom, suckiest of all satyrs).
On the Worst Superhero Ever:
I'm not the most boned up on comic book history and lore ever, but I'm going to have to side with that X-Man guy who had the power to speak every language or whatever. That's like if you had the mutant power to see through your own fingernails or the mutant ability to extend your fingernails at will. Just ####ing weak.
Originally posted by stubarnes Seems like you sir are a very welcome addition to this community. Please split hairs around here more often. Especially if Throwing Muses comes with your screen name.
Yeah, I'm quite an avid fan of nostalgia. I wasn't around when 4AD Records was at their pinnacle, but the idea of being apart of a collective, family or community, where you had bands like Throwing Muses, the Cocteau Twins, Dead Can Dance, the Pixies (ha, I put them last!) sharing ideas and creating art is staggering. I hold Rough Trade and Dischord in the same esteem. Arguably, record labels like these don't exist today.
Hooray for nostalgia.
PS - 4AD and their legacy isn't prehistoric or irrelevant yet. They are still going strong today with some impressive bands: TV on the Radio, Blonde Redhead and the Mountain Goats.
Originally posted by Benedict How many superheroes actually die in a fatal way with more than a dozen issues to their name?
Seems to me that death in comics is not a danger the characters have to face but rather a plot twist device writers use every now and again.
That was my point (wasn't I clear?).
Jaeger said that he felt Superman being "Too Good" meant that he was the worst superhero.
To which I replied with "The danger in Superman isn't to him, but to the others around him." And I add, "How much danger do superheroes really face anyway?"
Originally posted by 4AD_Punk (ha, I put them last!)
(ha, they deserve it!) Frank Black is a prick.
It's not nostalgia for me, I was there.
SST is where it was at for us, Meat Puppets and Mike Watt and Husker Du... that's the best it ever got. Partied with them all, some of the biggest brains I have ever met. One of the shirts I painted is on the inside CD cover for the Ryko re-issue of Meat Puppets 2.
Glad to have you hear, I'll see you around.
(Static Shock could have the version: Exploitation on Parade.)
Also I did read the book "It's a Bird" and I found that it doesn't change my opinion on Superman, but it does make my new favorite bird the Blue Jay. I think I may have read the wrong book.
Originally posted by 4AD_Punk Truly, the people declaring Superman as the worst super hero created can't be serious.
The guy is embedded in the consciousness of popular culture and has profound historical relevance; see Nietzsche, World War II, Siegel and Schuster, et al.
Honestly, I used to feel the same way. Superman has been around forever. He's embedded in the western psyche. He made "truth, Justice and the American Way" a relevant term in comics. He was the first.
But I've come to the conclusion that, just because he's the first doesn't make him good. It doesn't even make him interesting. He's invulnerable, he can hurl cities into space on a whim, and he's got no skeletons in his closet. The man is untouchable, and therefore uninteresting.
Even his friends are seemingly impervious to harm. No matter how many times Lois or Jimmy or the Chief have been in physical danger these last 60 odd years, they're still alive. The only Super-people that have died were second stringers, and they were killed to make a point about Supes's supposed mortality. They even managed to, at least to all appearances, kill him once. Somehow it failed to stick, though. In fact, the Supermen multiplied.
I understand that Superman will always be around. I understand that he's a symbol to not only the DCU, but to alot of the real world as well. It's just that he's not interesting. Without true weaknesses, without foils, there is no story. He has no real weakness. Kryptonite just isn't the threat to him that a bullet is to the Green Arrow or Dinah Lance. He doesn't live like a normal person. It's almost impossible to relate to a living god, so it's very hard to become invested in any stories about them either.
Without superman you don't have superheroes. Being first doenst make you good, however the phrase was coined because of him. He is the definition of superhero and by that logic is the best superhero. Everyone wants to hate him because he is too powerfu but thats ridiclous all other super heroes are created out of him. Sure is is big tough and hard to kill, perhapes its more interesting when a hero is more vulernabl but anyone who says superman is the worst hasnt read enough superman comics. Go read Red Son or a day without superman. All superheros are born out of Superman like it or not. Don't put him on the same levelas aquaman or namor.