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I for one would enjoy seeing the Transformers in the VS family. If sticking to the comics is really the only deterrent, the Transformers had a good run with Marvel, and have had a resurgence of sorts with Dreamwave.
I think paying 1 or 2 endurance to switch stats (read: transforming) would be pretty fun for me.
Personally I find most decks and teamup absurd in VS anyway. TMNT, Tranformers, and my personal pick GI JOE vs Cobra EC (Both these teams have some awesome plot twist names) would be fine because it would be fun as hell.
Kree/VU, Deep Green, All the Random Doom decks. I dunno its hard for me to worry too much about the structure of my deck thematicallly. For some reason Mxyzptlyk seems to end up in all my decks anyway...
If sticking to the comics is really the only deterrent, the Transformers had a good run with Marvel, and have had a resurgence of sorts with Dreamwave.
And coming soon...New Avengers/Transformers crossover!
This is where I think we really diverge in thinking. I'm as happy with VS now as I was 6 months ago. A little more infact. My primary, arguably sole, concern is the continued production of a quality, flavorful game. You have to understand how I react to saying we might as well make a rash decision such as turning VS into Transformers/Starwars/WWE/Supermario mania because we have nothing to lose. For a huge amount of the community, there would be alot to lose.
I'm not against adding properties into the game. Even some non-comic properties. However, I think there are other very viable additions that wouldn't immediately alienate a huge amount of the fanbase - which are comicbook fans.
Why alienate a huge amount of your current customers to add a property into the game that may not add as many players as it loses (it's harder to bring people into an established game than it is to lose them), when there are viable alternatives that won't have such a reaction?
On the idea of bringing in non-superhero concepts...this has already been attempted once with the Arc system. That was a terrible letdown for three reasons: (a) the system sucked (so, UDE can ignore that one), (b) capturing the feel of two diverse licenses with the same set of game mechanics can be incredibly difficult to accomplish (I think that capturing the feel of Indiana Jones in Vs. would be difficult, for instance), and (c) balancing the power levels of divergent license properties such that fans of one property were on an equal footing with fans of another property will be difficult.
(c) leads me to consider that the introduction of new properties would either:
result in the reduction of comic-related releases of Vs., or
saturate the players with product too often for players to keep up with, or
have non-comic properties come out so rarely that if one property's release ended up underpowered it would take too long to remedy the situation.
"huge" amount of comic fan base? That's a pretty big overstatement.
One thing is for sure, the game is rapidly losing players and not really gaining new players, acquiring a new licence could prove to be a solution for getting new players to play the game. I believe the game has already reached all the possible comic book fans it can reach. Losing a part of the player base when the size of the player base is already negligible is a fair risk.
I guess where we diverge in thinking is that I give people that play the Vs right now more credit than assuming they'll drop it because their panties are in a knot over Optimus Prime teaming up with the Penguin. Catering to your customers is one thing, and no, you shouldn't actively alienate them. But, as has been pointed out already, even the incredbly flexible continuity restraints we have now dictate the Kree have about as much business teaming up with the Secret Six (random example which is possible within the game as it stands) as Goku does with Black Cat. As you've stated many times before, you're a strictly casual player, so if you don't like a new property, then all you have to do is ignore them.
If a Transformers EC or something would alienate a player, they were too fickle to begin with and would have found an equally arbitrary reason to quit the game sooner or later, in my opinion.
The entire point is moot anyway, as I have yet to hear about a My Little Pony expansion. And while "we have nothing to lose" may not be strictly correct, innovation at this point in the game engine's lifetime might not be a bad thing.
How would adding properties alienate anyone? I mean unless you add a really really offensive property. To me that playing Transformers/Avengers is no different than playing Gotham/Fantastic Four - the two teams would never crossover in comics but that's one of the great things about VS. I can play whoever I want.
Comic Book fans are (for the most part) big into nerd-stuff and pop culture. I can't think of one single person I know that reads comics that would be alienated if they added a non-comic property to VS.
Now if you started adding non-nerd properties like NFL players or something, then you might have a beef, but other than that, I can foresee no problems.
Just an FYI, my understanding is that the Transformers license is ridiculously expensive to acquire (I heard from an industry insider the holder of said license wanted $1 million to license a CCG on the transformers).
Yeah, we're just using it as a placeholder to represent any property that doesn't quite jibe with superheroes (even though a crossover between the Marvel Universe and the Transformers is planned).
While I'm sure its an expensive license it could still be a lot of fun to play. I mean how cool would it be to see Megatron as an equipment, that when KOd could then search for a character named Megatron. Have it give plus 3 or 4 attack and range, and make it a free equip to Soundwave..... but that really isnt the point is it.
"huge" amount of comic fan base? That's a pretty big overstatement.
One thing is for sure, the game is rapidly losing players
Yes, and most of the players it's losing aren't the casual comic fans, it's the pro-players. The game consists of a higher % of comic fans now than it did 6 months ago, and it's a top-5-CCG Marvel/DC Comic-Character Game.
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As you've stated many times before, you're a strictly casual player, so if you don't like a new property, then all you have to do is ignore them.
If a Transformers EC or something would alienate a player, they were too fickle to begin with and would have found an equally arbitrary reason to quit the game sooner or later, in my opinion.
I really think that's an oversimplification. Once something has been printed for the game, it can't really just be "ignored". What am I going to do, go to Hobby League and demand people play with other decks? No, the only way for I would be able to effectively "ignore" it would be by not playing.
Also, I don't consider quitting over IP to be "fickle". If they doubled the price of packs right now, I would still be here. If they canceled all OP forever, I would still be here. If they stopped all sets forever, and released a single poorly designed Indy Comic EC a year, I would still be here.
IP is a major part of this game, arguably one of the most important. Quitting over it isn't "fickle", and would/could be the actions of alot of the casual players who wouldn't really quit over anything else.
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And while "we have nothing to lose" may not be strictly correct, innovation at this point in the game engine's lifetime might not be a bad thing.
This is where I will agree with you. I simply think there are better ones than the, as you put it, "My Little Pony EC". I don't want to play "Sinister Syndicate" with the game right now (I.E., take burn in hopes of doing even more damage). I would go with a more conservative strategy.
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Now if you started adding non-nerd properties like NFL players or something, then you might have a beef, but other than that, I can foresee no problems.
That's exactly my point really. To some people Transformers ~ NFL. They're like Tonka-Trucks to alot of us. The goal is to choose the property that is the optimization of fitting and popular. That's not Transformers.
In all fairness though, maybe the "Tonka Truck" view of Transformers might change after the movie is released - in which case I might be singing a more submissive tune on that instance.
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Yeah, we're just using it as a placeholder to represent any property that doesn't quite jibe with superheroes (even though a crossover between the Marvel Universe and the Transformers is planned).
Which might be why this argument is unsolvable. We're talking about a vague concept... with it being an admitted placeholder, I'm envisioning Lightsabers and Barbie Dolls, and maybe you're envisioning maybe something alot closer to a similiar property.
I think as a community we need to talk about specific property ideas, rather than just arguing over vague "fitting vs. non-fitting" concepts. Arguing over these vague concepts we'll get about as far as arguing over Order/Oppression and Freedom/Chaos.