I don't agree with you none of the TCGs or CCGs would be around if it wasn't for MTG. I'm sorry but that is the grandaddy of them all. It was the first and it will be the last, it has seen many games rise and many games fall and it's still around, what stories would MTG tell if it could talk. Not one single game would be where it is if it wasn't for MTG not YU-Gi who gives a oh!

Shonen Jump Columbus called and would like to speak with you.


And that is/was my biggest problem with Vs. The very rational arguments as to why it happened aside, those two sets were supposed to BE the introductory sets for new players, and well, oops, guess not.

Broken cards sell packs. For all the problems Yugioh has and has had, it just keeps drawing players. This all happened ages ago with Invasion of Chaos (when I quit and moved onwards), spawning the banlist etc. People pssd and moaned and quit and made threads about quitting, but look what happened. The game kept growing. Vs. should be so lucky, except that ship has sailed and sunk.

UDE did it right with Yugioh, as other people have noted. They built the player base from the ground up, with the "hobby leagues" first, THEN the bigger events later (Shonen Jump Championships, Nationals, Worlds). Vs, well, we here know how that went. Glad to see the megaweekends doing well, and I hope that Worlds will be a smashing success, but, well, Vs. ain't EVER going to be as widely played as Yugioh, as easy as it is to bash.

:rolleyes:


I'm fairly certain that what was meant had to do with the money raked in by Yugioh allowing UDE the luxury to acquire the Marvel and DC licenses and affording them the wherewithal to hire designers to build a game around said licenses.

Who the #### prints Magic?
Wizards.


Who the #### prints Yu-Gi-Oh! ?
Upperdeck


Upperdeck would not invest into developing their own TCG business if they did not see that they could make a profit from it like they did with Yu-Gi-Oh


so while mtg was the first, you dont need to state the ####ing obvious.

Some Yugi players could make the transition to VS. I'd look for those that are bored with the same old meta. If they start making out of the box fun decks, they may be be interested in a something more diverse. But the Yugi player who only netdecks the latest winning SJC deck probably wouldn't stick to VS very long.

I'd also advise letting the Yugi player start VS with a prebuilt/borrowed aggro rush deck. Short curve with lots of atk pumps. Or the Hellboy EC if they will fork out the $. Avoid all VS starter decks.

I've heard a lot that the Yugi meta is bad during this banned period and yes, the cards are wayyyy overpriced. Has been since about 10-12 months ago (3x card trooopers @ $60 ea, 3x malicious @ $30 ea & 3x d draws @ $30 ea back then). Now Dark Armed Dragons are what, $150-$250 last I heard.

But I will say that VS still has more to learn from Yugi. VS could really, really use Golden Age with a rotating ban list to replace Silver Age.

If the meta is bad in Yugi, they generally correct it the next banned list. If our meta is bad, we have to suffer with the same overpowered cards for 2 years (QS, Ahmed, Ivy, etc....) There's also a lot to be said for not having ones cards become worthless after 2 years because they rotate out of Silver.

Even as expensive as it is, Yugioh sells like mad. I live in town where MTG has been far and above dominant for local play. But the Gold packs blew away opening sales of the last MTG set. They pushed a case and a half and could've done another case in just the first few days. $22/pack, 5 packs per box.

Oh, and those Gold packs can only be purchased at Hobby Lg stores! Imagine the boon for HL stores if MEX or MAA or DCX cards could only have been purchased from special packs distributed only at HL stores!

why is Mechachu's post all covered in # signs?

Anyway, I tried YuGi and the game isn't that great. That fanbase keeps growing because of the Television show. YUgi-Oh and now this YuGi-Oh GX. It's a guilty pleasure show that ties directly into the TCG. There isn't a single non-broken mechanic in that game or a deck that is competitive and not costly to make.

I highly doubt it

That's a bit of a misconception. The television show is the reason the game became popular in the first place, but the reason the game has lasted so long is because of its competitive tournament scene, as showtime! has correctly pointed out. Anyone who watched the anime and played Yu-Gi-Oh as a fun diversion has long since left.

Yugi did do it right as far as building the game from the ground-up (grassroots, Hobby League, etc. etc.). The problem is that the game is inherently unbalanced, so the rotating ban list and competitive play were the sole things keeping it lively. Upper Deck and Konami have not only allowed a disastrous ban list, but have compounded it by printing broken cards at high rarities. More people are fed up than you think.

Getting back to what showtime said, true, Vs. will never be as big as Yu-Gi-Oh. It could have happened, but that time has passed. We can look at the positive things Yugs has done to foster a player base and try to take after it, but the bottom line is that the games are pretty much set in their ways. The only way I see Vs. growing is to take advantage of opportunities like this.

Casual TCG players are fine. We all see people posting in "Hi, I'm New" every day, so it's wrong to conclude that Vs. has no room for growth. I hate to make a generalization here (because I myself contradict it by playing competitively AND reading comics), but the people who play the game on weekends because they like the comics aren't the ones who fill the seats in a tournament. If we want real growth, we need to draw from the limited pool of people who already play TCGs.

Yu-Gi-Oh won't die from this, and Vs. won't see a huge number of converts in all likelihood. But when I see people on Pojo (bleh) posting about how they're going to quit Yugioh and play MTG, clearly knowing nothing about Magic and just wanting to play ANY card game, I figured "why not Vs.?"

But if all mechanics are broken, doesn't that mean that none are?

What's the most expensive card in VS right now, just out of curiocity.

So I know, in case I want to try to get some value outta my cards.

Sometimes it's fun to go to a booster draft, open a pack and be able to say "Well, I don't care if I win or not, I'm walking outta here with more cash than you, suckers!"

I don't know about that. You can make a very good Six Samurai deck that isn't too expensive, if you've been playing the game for a while and have all the usual staples. The Dark Armed Dragon decks are absurd, and Explosion decks are fairly expensive. The thing about Yugioh, though, is that at least 75% of the cards in most new decks are cards you already have if you've been playing for a couple of years. Because of that, until recently, Yugioh has always been a much cheaper game to play than Vs.

Samurai is a pretty inexpensive deck by Yu-Gi-Oh standards, but it'll still cost you.

3 Grandmaster of the Six Samurai --> $90
3 Solemn Judgment --> $45
3 Dark Bribe --> $100

Our build doesn't play Bribes (did the one that won the Jump play them in its side or something?), and we already had all the Solemns. So it was mainly just the Grandmasters and Shiens we had to buy to build it. It was certainly much cheaper to build than my JLA deck.

I've got about 15 Solemn Judgments laying around the house from when I use to play. Time to hit ebay I guess.

or trade them to meeeeee