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Why does there have to be a separation? Why do you have to pick sides on what can and cannot be your entertainment? If I like it, then I'll watch/read/play it. I don't need labels to enjoy my life.
The game, however, ended up being not entertaining. So after the half-time show, I went into my friends garage and we jammed on the drums/guitar/bass for the rest of the evening. So I wasn't supporting jocks, I wasn't supporting musicians, I was supporting my own selfish interests.
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^This. I don't generally pay much attention to the super bowl unless Pittsburgh is in it, but I see no reason why people can't like two separate things.
Heck, if we're going to start labelling stuff, snowboarding is as much of a "jock" thing as the super bowl is.
I don't think that there HAS to be a separation, but people do a fantastic job of separating themselves with self-selection. Maybe it's my status as an outlier of any/every group that gives me this viewpoint. I just don't fit in anywhere well. Therefore, there are always people in any group who want to separate me because they believe I really belong in another group.
In thinking about this, I've also thought that maybe there's a generational thing going on here.
There's a kid (actually he's in his 20s now) who plays Clix at my venue. I like him just fine, but he's such a textbook nerd. Seriously, I'm willing to bet that he actually DOES weigh 98 pounds.
Anyway, he came to Clix in a costume one time. He said he'd worn it to school. We older guys asked him how many people beat him up or stuffed him in a locker. He said, "None". The conversation developed from there and we discovered that none of those things had ever happened to him. He thought they were made up for movies and TV or something to add drama.
We were stunned. I've talked to other people under the age of 30 with similar experiences.
I come from a time period where beatings were a near-daily thing, while ridicule was a foregone conclusion and neither needed a precipitating event or reason.
I just used the word "nerd" a few lines earlier. I'm still getting used to that. It was used so hatefully, and it was often linked to violence, that I have trouble using it in reference to other people. Sure, I can take it to myself, but I still feel kinda bad using it on other people even if they are fine with it and that it's the most convenient term and the simplest definition. (33 HUMOR pts.)
It's interesting to me that it could be called "the 'N' word" since, in some regards, it's very similar. But to me, in my childhood/adolescence, it goes hand in hand with subjugation, violence, and powerlessness, so they have that much in common. And now it's used in a manner where it can be an accepted term and it can still be viewed as unacceptable.
Anyway, after some reflection, it may just be a generational thing.
The Melvins are a stoner thing? I'm not a stoner (well, not anymore) and I totally dig the Melvins.
I don't know what Melvins are.
But boarders are generally regarded as stoners and so are people who play disc golf. I know this from partaking in both activities as well as hearing people's perceptions of my participation in those activities as well.
But, there is some background for some boarders being on the jock end of the spectrum. It sure as hell ain't a nerd thing, in my experience.
I've often said, when harangued for riding a GNU, that I don't ride a Burton because I'm not a Frat Boy. So, there's certainly a subsection of the snowboard population that are "normies".
Perhaps it is the result of an ever-changing society. The fact that you can go play HeroClix and there may be a *gasp* black person in the venue shows how American society has evolved in the last 50-60 years. Nowadays, there may even be someone who is OPENLY HOMOSEXUAL! I think about 15-20 years ago, that would be a rarity. These same people who are playing clix may possibly also go to a concert, a movie, or a sporting event.
However, I'm not sure if it's a generational thing. Open-mindedness and changing viewpoints aren't the domain of only the young.
I don't think that there HAS to be a separation, but people do a fantastic job of separating themselves with self-selection. Maybe it's my status as an outlier of any/every group that gives me this viewpoint. I just don't fit in anywhere well. Therefore, there are always people in any group who want to separate me because they believe I really belong in another group.
In thinking about this, I've also thought that maybe there's a generational thing going on here.
There's a kid (actually he's in his 20s now) who plays Clix at my venue. I like him just fine, but he's such a textbook nerd. Seriously, I'm willing to bet that he actually DOES weigh 98 pounds.
Anyway, he came to Clix in a costume one time. He said he'd worn it to school. We older guys asked him how many people beat him up or stuffed him in a locker. He said, "None". The conversation developed from there and we discovered that none of those things had ever happened to him. He thought they were made up for movies and TV or something to add drama.
We were stunned. I've talked to other people under the age of 30 with similar experiences.
I come from a time period where beatings were a near-daily thing, while ridicule was a foregone conclusion and neither needed a precipitating event or reason.
I just used the word "nerd" a few lines earlier. I'm still getting used to that. It was used so hatefully, and it was often linked to violence, that I have trouble using it in reference to other people. Sure, I can take it to myself, but I still feel kinda bad using it on other people even if they are fine with it and that it's the most convenient term and the simplest definition. (33 HUMOR pts.)
It's interesting to me that it could be called "the 'N' word" since, in some regards, it's very similar. But to me, in my childhood/adolescence, it goes hand in hand with subjugation, violence, and powerlessness, so they have that much in common. And now it's used in a manner where it can be an accepted term and it can still be viewed as unacceptable.
Anyway, after some reflection, it may just be a generational thing.
Dunno if I reach or not.
Most of my problems being accepted by my peers in school had more to do with my family not having been in the community for 7 generations rather than liking comics or whatnot.
there's also the whole "Nerd Chic" thing nowadays in which individuals who are clearly NOT nerds embrace the label. That probably allows actual geeks to get by with more geekery.
(BTW That King of the nerds reality show nearly turned me against Dr. Who.)
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I don't know what Melvins are.
But boarders are generally regarded as stoners and so are people who play disc golf. I know this from partaking in both activities as well as hearing people's perceptions of my participation in those activities as well.
But, there is some background for some boarders being on the jock end of the spectrum. It sure as hell ain't a nerd thing, in my experience.
I've often said, when harangued for riding a GNU, that I don't ride a Burton because I'm not a Frat Boy. So, there's certainly a subsection of the snowboard population that are "normies".
I think my grandaughter is a budding engineer. She went to the dentist today and came home with a toy airplane. It was cardboard expect for a plastic propellor. Her mother didn't know how to attach the propellor so I tried to fix it. Turns out there was a little plastic piece you fit on the nose that holds the propellor. I didn't know it was there but my grandaughter knew what it was for immediately and handed it to me.
I want these clixed: Doc Savage, Fu Manchu, Tarzan, The Shadow, The Green Hornet & Kato, Conan, Solomon Kane, The Phantom, King Kong, Universal Monsters, Black Orchid, Manhunter (Paul Kirk), Xemnu the Titan, unclixed Kirby Fourth World characters, and Lilith, Daughter Of Dracula.
I was waiting for this. I can say that most things that I did during that period, I did before and still do now. So, put that in your pipe and smoke it.
I didn't go to Harvard or Yale but I can kick a man in the crotch as well as any other.
Hey, that (what Cap Beyo said) reminds me...that Goldi-Blox company had a SuperBowl ad. However, they did NOT use a Beastie Boys song, they used a Quiet Riot song.
I wonder if that means the court favored the Beastie Boys, or if there was a "don't go forward with this until the court decides" kinda thing.
Hey, that (what Cap Beyo said) reminds me...that Goldi-Blox company had a SuperBowl ad. However, they did NOT use a Beastie Boys song, they used a Slade song.
I wonder if that means the court favored the Beastie Boys, or if there was a "don't go forward with this until the court decides" kinda thing.
I was waiting for this. I can say that most things that I did during that period, I did before and still do now. So, put that in your pipe and smoke it.
I know what I want to put in my pipe and smoke. I have to wait until I'm independently wealthy and living alone before I do it though.
I want these clixed: Doc Savage, Fu Manchu, Tarzan, The Shadow, The Green Hornet & Kato, Conan, Solomon Kane, The Phantom, King Kong, Universal Monsters, Black Orchid, Manhunter (Paul Kirk), Xemnu the Titan, unclixed Kirby Fourth World characters, and Lilith, Daughter Of Dracula.
The problem with that is Quiet Riot's version sounded no different then Slade's version. So why was it a hit Q.R. and not for Slade?
I want these clixed: Doc Savage, Fu Manchu, Tarzan, The Shadow, The Green Hornet & Kato, Conan, Solomon Kane, The Phantom, King Kong, Universal Monsters, Black Orchid, Manhunter (Paul Kirk), Xemnu the Titan, unclixed Kirby Fourth World characters, and Lilith, Daughter Of Dracula.