You left out sealed, draft, team-draft, team-sealed.

These are all sanctioned tournament structures also. I believe since I stopped playing magic has added-two headed dragon also.

I'll let WaKo handle this (if he feels so inclined). There is nothing posted in this thread that is even close to your analogy.

My post was aimed at specific people... not MOST people. And these are not just my suggested changes, I just happen to be defending the opinions of people who made the original suggestions. UDE is the one who is adding more formats... not me... also notice how Stu is not arguing against additional formats in this thread.
That was only one example. Read the other posts where they think it's dumbing down the game or creating a format they don't care for.
You'll need to restate this because that's not what I said.
If a new player buys cards at a store... the store should inform them of the different formats and what the current Marquee Event format is. If a new player just shows up at a store to play in a tournament w/out finding out what the format is... is that UDE's fault? Is that the store's fault? C'mon... this is a weak premise and could happen with any TCG. I understand it can be frustrating but this isn't a strong enough argument to not have the option of multiple formats.

Yes there is, I quoted it once already:
You are saying we should throw out the bathwater (a metaphor for "doing something") even if the baby goes too (a metaphor for "hurting more than helping").

I would sig it, but that would be too lame.

No they in fact do not have to try. If they are happy with their profit after their expenses they don't have to do anything at all. If they are not they may have to do something. I mean Mage Knight and Mech Warrior did a great job with their changes. They improved the games in a lot of ways and they are still doing good...


Do you mean ALL the Magic Pros?!? Thank god the Magic Pros are here to define the complexity of VS! Whew. This proves your point! Thanks every Magic Pros! Magic is obviously easy that's why everyone is on the gravy train over in that CCG right? What's your DCI and how's the lifetime earnings coming everyone? I'll start DCI ? Lifetime earnings 0. Just like 99% of the rest of the Magic Playing world.

Hey if you didn't notice the title of the boards this is VSREALMS a site dedicated to people who play VS! People in fact do play VS, I met a group of them the other night at my local gaming store. We played Vs. It was fun. It was a hobby league! I got a prize I am not sure what it did cause it was too complex, there were words and numbers and pictures I like the picture. It's a blue guy and he's doin something.

Maybe noone can actually quantify and correct such a deceptive beast as market appeal.

I don't know. But I don't think pushing a personal agenda month after month on a message board is doin a whole lot. If longwinded arguments were the key to anything, VS would be #1 in sales. :)

All the things you say add up to his interpretation, to many people. I agree with him 100%. We love change, but we disagree with some of your ideas for change. Yet you scream that we don't want change. It doesn't make sense sometimes.

You are so smart I would impregnate you if you were a female. Bad beat.

No... for that analogy to apply... we would need to know that it is actually hurting. Since we don't know that until we try... you cannot applied your flawed logic.

Not a single suggestion here even comes close to "throwing out the baby".

Nice try though.

Simply not true. Like I said, look it up. Change just for the sake of change... no matter the result... is throwing out the baby. Hell, it might be an improvement. That brat is really getting on my nerves.

So do you agree that more formats is bad?

Dance around that one.

I asked Dr. Malcolm famed Mathmatician what he thought about change and he stated :


Me - You're implying that a group composed entirely of playing cards will breed?

Scary stuff indeed.

You are such an awesome human beatbox.

I agree with his opinion about YOU. That's what I quoted. You tend to take all opinions that disagree with yours and generalize them to continue your ranting... to the point that you accuse us of not wanting ANY changes when all we said is that we disagree with some of YOUR changes.

What you said is "Throwing out the baby with the bathwather".

What is being suggested is:

"Hey, the bathwater looks dirty, let's put in some fresh water."
"But if you do that, the baby might get a cold."
"True, but we aren't sure that will happen and the water seems pretty dirty."

Do you honestly believe anyone would want to throw out the baby?

And you're a pretty good dancer.

You still haven't answered the question... do you think more formats are bad? Or are you afraid to answer that here?

1) I doubt that there's anyone who opposed every single change UDE has made, as well as every single change they plan on making. I misinterpretted what you said, however - I thought you were getting irritated with people who did not like your changes (and it still does read like that, I think, but intent is hard to read on forums). For that, I apologize.

2) What does Stu have to do with this?

But, people are allowed to complain about changes they think will take away some of their enjoyment of the game. They earned that right when they started buying the product. You don't have to like them, and you don't have to read their posts. You are under no obligations to agree or even listen. But, they can do it - and, more than that, they should do it! They have a voice, too, and it should carry just as much weight as yours or anyone else's.

Even so, very few people - if anyone - have been down on every single change. I don't think Alter Egos 'dumb down' the game. I think they unbalance it a little, and would unbalance it more if they ever opened them to more than just one set.

Already apologized. Restated.

It's not UDE's fault, and I enjoy the new formats (to a point). But, I have been playing for 2 years, and I have enough cards that I can play in them. Adding new formats should be a fairly gradual process, but right now we're getting a lot of them in rapid succession, which can certainly make it hard for some people to keep up.

It's not UDE's fault, and I don't think I was blaming anyone. What I was trying to express was the belief that we do not need a new format every month. I think that's too much, too fast.

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To get on track with something that might be constructive (or might not), rather than everyone getting ticked at everyone else:

Okay, here's a question for everyone on this thread that I think should be dealt with before we should talk about what needs to be changed in the future - what changes has UDE made that you have been happy with? Unhappy with? Why?

I've been happy with the shift towards casual. I think it's made the atmosphere a lot friendlier.

The City Championships rewarding creative deckbuilding was a stroke of genius - it let me Top 4 with an Avengers/Legionnaires team-attack build. Hell, it let me lose to a Morlocks deck that eventually won!

I think the first EC was a stunning success, and I can't wait for more. It's great for getting people into the game, for building from, and for demoing from. It's just flat-out solid.