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As for people I'm willing to vote for, independent of the fact that I have never voted for anyone for a day 1 lynch even as a joke, but hypothetically if I were to vote, the people pinging me most are people that suffer from Linkoritis...one being Linkor himself, so I really don't want to go down that road day 1.
Gfish for previously stated reasons
If Bob was asking for a Lamplighter claim, I guess it seems scummy, but at the same time, isn't that the assumption the enemy is already making independent of whether you're claiming or not? I actually have a different issue with Bob about alignments, but my thoughts aren't fully formed enough to really go into, right now it's just a "hmmm" thing not an "aha!!!" thing.
Skullbro for his "We have two lives, so it's not that bad to get killed day 1" thing bothered me. His rebuttal when called on it was it's still not as bad if you only had one life... If anyone wants a D1 lynch I think it would be Mafia, that means their N1 kill has the potential to be permanent as opposed to a scenario where there's no D1 lynch, they off a guy and they're still around.
I'll agree 100% about the "Eh. People have another life." bit - in fact I already "argued" with him about it - and your clarification of your stance on Bob's pushing for Lamplighter moves you to a Neutral position.
So, I guess my revised "Who's my D1 Preference" is still "No one. It would be hasty and wasteful" but if people are only happy with names than "Bob or Skull". But I would still refuse to vote short of someone having a power forcing it.
I feel gfish and JoH are making each other lose sight of the same forest. Reading them, they're disagreeing on methodology and personal quirks but I don't think either are Red Names.
"Nobody important? That's amazing. You know, in 900 years of traveling time and space I've never met someone who wasn't important."
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I might be being too harsh on you. You were my biggest scum read at the time because your XP question sounded (to me) like someone with two lives who wants to move up quick, your response to JOH's list is you don't like that you are on it, which seems scummy to me, and your average at best post is a tactic a typically associate with mafia trying to get by. You probably shouldn't be in red, I just like having at least one player there so it looks more complete.
I don't think Vlad's joyous relief is damning. We're all always happy to see that we can sit back and read the meat of posts as opposed to having to spend time defending against what may be frivolous accusations or scum moves (or legit ones).
I do take issue that you put a name in Red that you don't feel is that deserving but you just want to finish the rainbow. The problem is some people - Linkorism seems to be the newest term - are just going to look at lists and focus on Reds. You're damning someone you admit probably doesn't deserve to be there to having to focus attention on defense than reading / scum hunting just because you feel like it. That's a pretty shady action. It's like you don't wish to draw attention to yourself by not giving a full rainbow so you're using another player as a diversion.
"Nobody important? That's amazing. You know, in 900 years of traveling time and space I've never met someone who wasn't important."
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Ok, still don't see anything that makes me want to vote for anybody, so I'm favoring no lynch for the reasons I explained earlier. And I'll add another one - I wouldn't be surprised if there's only like 4-5 scum here at the moment. Last game both mafias started at 3, plus a single serial killer. So I'd say we're looking at between 7 scum (2 mafias + an SK) and quite possibly only 4-5 scum (if we've only got one mafia at the moment and an SK/SK duo). Those aren't great odds for hitting scum, and given that I'm pretty skeptical D1 voting patterns will be that helpful later on (which is typically why you're fine lynching a townie D1 as long as there's trains and movement), I don't see a D1 lynch at this point to be a good thing. I would be interested in anybody who wants a lynch answering my "why do you think it will be helpful this game after looking at last game" questions, though.
I'll agree 100% about the "Eh. People have another life." bit - in fact I already "argued" with him about it - and your clarification of your stance on Bob's pushing for Lamplighter moves you to a Neutral position.
So, I guess my revised "Who's my D1 Preference" is still "No one. It would be hasty and wasteful" but if people are only happy with names than "Bob or Skull". But I would still refuse to vote short of someone having a power forcing it.
I feel gfish and JoH are making each other lose sight of the same forest. Reading them, they're disagreeing on methodology and personal quirks but I don't think either are Red Names.
I'll agree on gfish and JoH. Lots of snowing as kontrol put it but I won't discount the possibility that it's intentional from one or both of them as far as centering the discussion on them as opposed to exploring other avenues. I still don't have anyone that I'm definitely in favor of lynching today.
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I don't think Vlad's joyous relief is damning. We're all always happy to see that we can sit back and read the meat of posts as opposed to having to spend time defending against what may be frivolous accusations or scum moves (or legit ones).
I do take issue that you put a name in Red that you don't feel is that deserving but you just want to finish the rainbow. The problem is some people - Linkorism seems to be the newest term - are just going to look at lists and focus on Reds. You're damning someone you admit probably doesn't deserve to be there to having to focus attention on defense than reading / scum hunting just because you feel like it. That's a pretty shady action. It's like you don't wish to draw attention to yourself by not giving a full rainbow so you're using another player as a diversion.
Hmmm, interesting line of thought. I must say I think it has merit if only because TSP admitted that someone shouldn't be where they are. If you're going to make a rainbow list, better to have reasoning behind it. It's why I haven't made a list yet. Too many people would be in the little/no read category and it would be marginally helpful at best.
Never got back to my pc. In summary @Vlad thanks for the read. @Bob I disagree with the premise that the mafia is probably not in contact and so relational reads are worth less in this game. I agree with the possibility that is the case. I understand your reasoning for voting no lynch but I do not consider that our best option. The mafiaS thing changes my opinion of you significantly.
Gfish's aggressive ultimatum on Day0 recordkeeping has been sloppy. Misattributing quotes and overlooking others. On top of that the amount of time he took to post his results. I still don't see how his list makes me agree with his assessment of people's scumminess. Day 1 lynches have been a point of contention for ever regardless of alignment, I don't see why it should be different here, especially if there's multiple lives...because no one has brought it up yet, if we do lynch someone, they're not likely to die, ANNNNND we're not likely to know their alignment, so we're in a situation on Day 1, that if we lynch someone, then we're committed to lynching them down the road as well, unless Sineater wants to make an easy elimination and an NK them.
I'm not sure if this sloppiness is intentional or just incidental, but I do have some concerns.
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As for people I'm willing to vote for, independent of the fact that I have never voted for anyone for a day 1 lynch even as a joke, but hypothetically if I were to vote, the people pinging me most are people that suffer from Linkoritis...one being Linkor himself, so I really don't want to go down that road day 1.
Gfish for previously stated reasons
If Bob was asking for a Lamplighter claim, I guess it seems scummy, but at the same time, isn't that the assumption the enemy is already making independent of whether you're claiming or not? I actually have a different issue with Bob about alignments, but my thoughts aren't fully formed enough to really go into, right now it's just a "hmmm" thing not an "aha!!!" thing.
Skullbro for his "We have two lives, so it's not that bad to get killed day 1" thing bothered me. His rebuttal when called on it was it's still not as bad if you only had one life... If anyone wants a D1 lynch I think it would be Mafia, that means their N1 kill has the potential to be permanent as opposed to a scenario where there's no D1 lynch, they off a guy and they're still around.
I'm not sure I understand these two posts. You seem anti-Day 1 lynch with multiple lives not being a factor, and pro-Day 1 lynch since there are multiple lives. I know this is bad reading comprehension on my part, but I can't seem to reconcile these two posts. Help, please.
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I might be being too harsh on you. You were my biggest scum read at the time because your XP question sounded (to me) like someone with two lives who wants to move up quick, your response to JOH's list is you don't like that you are on it, which seems scummy to me, and your average at best post is a tactic a typically associate with mafia trying to get by. You probably shouldn't be in red, I just like having at least one player there so it looks more complete.
I agree with Rokk, that having someone being red just because is irresponsible at best, and scummy at worst. Your starting to slip downward with each post.
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Ok, still don't see anything that makes me want to vote for anybody, so I'm favoring no lynch for the reasons I explained earlier. And I'll add another one - I wouldn't be surprised if there's only like 4-5 scum here at the moment. Last game both mafias started at 3, plus a single serial killer. So I'd say we're looking at between 7 scum (2 mafias + an SK) and quite possibly only 4-5 scum (if we've only got one mafia at the moment and an SK/SK duo). Those aren't great odds for hitting scum, and given that I'm pretty skeptical D1 voting patterns will be that helpful later on (which is typically why you're fine lynching a townie D1 as long as there's trains and movement), I don't see a D1 lynch at this point to be a good thing. I would be interested in anybody who wants a lynch answering my "why do you think it will be helpful this game after looking at last game" questions, though.
vote: no lynch
This post makes me feel more confident about you than I have so far. I think this is an excellent analysis.
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I'm putting Long Con as a strong town read or a brilliant mafia strategy.
I was going to say that this is a strange reaction, since I don't actually know if I'm town or Mafia, so how could my post reflect an alignment... but I realize now that if I had rolled Mafia, I'd probably have a team in my role PM. Oh well, guess I'm town after all. Or maybe a sexy Indy-type!
Anyways, going to try to catch up today in bits and pieces.
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OMAC Moment - When a player slips up without even knowing it, truthfully roleclaiming him/herself as anti-Town. Can occur often in "Reverse Mafias." Originates from the Villains United game when a player honestly claimed as an OMAC, unaware that OMACs were earlier established to be evil.
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OMAC Moment - When a player slips up without even knowing it, truthfully roleclaiming him/herself as anti-Town. Can occur often in "Reverse Mafias." Originates from the Villains United game when a player honestly claimed as an OMAC, unaware that OMACs were earlier established to be evil.
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It's often used as a term to describe someone who by giving out truthful information reveals themselves to be scum. In the last game 2 players admitted to having BTSC thinking that would be common. It wasn't. They were scum.
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It's not an acronym. OMAC is a comic book character and was a role in a game back in the early days. The player who was the OMAC ended up claiming OMAC before they realized that being OMAC was bad.
It's usually associated with making a statement or a claim that ends up being damning.
The best example I can think of recently is the last Hawtness game where the "theme" of the mafia was characters that had their own name in the title of the show. The mafia didn't know this or didn't make the connection and ended up claiming, or fake claiming characters that fit this criteria.
See which color matches to the faction color on the front page.
Yes, I see... but:
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2) ____ Here are the team affiliations:
________ Walu
________ The Umbrella
________ Dragon City
________ Kronn
________ Lyle
________ Morrscape
________ The Loch
________ Unaffiliated
_______ These are mostly flavour.
_______ If you have any of these then you will win when Nate Sineater is dead.
These are mostly flavour. Which would seem to indicate that they do not correspond to alignment. The best I can say is that I'll win when Nate Sineater is dead... but of course, I may have a second life where I AM Nate Sineater, so *shrug*.
Probably not though. Nate Sineater is gonna be someone who has played all the Hybridity games. Someone who has earned the right to that iconic role.
My second life in the last Hybridity was Michael, but only because Jack never died. He was supposed to receive that honour, and I was supposed to be Beastman or something... someone considerably more inconsequential to the over-arching storyline. And I get that.
I should probably stop discussing too much before I read up the first day, because I don't want to rehash things you guys have already, uh, hashed.