I don't think it does anymore. Maybe I'm all washed up, but I don't think it does anything beneficial. Studios, as you point out, don't care, and could axe you anyways. I don't think fans care until they start seeing trailers.

Also, totally agree on limited-run series, and I think that's what Netflix is saying they want to go for.

Well, fair point on studios, but it doesn't hurt. Plus it can help get you picked up by another provider (see Nashville and how it got picked up because of fan petitions).

I think the crux of it is that the Netflix model is to tape the whole season then air it all at once. A cliffhanger works when you know it's going to be resolved. The Netflix model currently makes it so that, it will be hard to recommend a show that doesn't have a definitive end.

A show like Sense8 can't be carried by another network it costs too much and the show's DNA is all about people from wildly disparate lives getting jammed together, yet still continuing to exist in their own individual worlds. The set up for that begs for them to be in different locations. Putting them together needs to be a special thing.

I haven't felt this bad about a cancellation since Leverage.

Only show I've seen on that list is Lilyhammer. Don't mind that ending, it was getting quite silly in a bad way.

Aww, you didn't like the way Burn Notice dragged out? I didn't either. Somewhere around season 5 is where I thought it should have been over. And I do like the British way of things for this. Write to the content. Too many American shows have filler episodes simply because the contract was for X-number of episodes. And while we're extolling British stuff, I love their sports relegation stuff. If a team sucks at soccer, they get sent down to a lower division. So many American sports franchises could use that lesson.

Maybe, but the reasoning seems way too arbitrary. The guy in charge is saying they should have a higher cancel rate but doesn't delve into detail. It's the same stupid rationale that college professors use for grading curves. If something is good, then it's good. If it's bad, then it's bad. Letting the the group drag down individual shows simply because they have to satisfy quotas is a crummy way to go.

None of the cancelled shows are things that I watch, but the reasoning is weak for cancelling them.

Again, to be somewhat fair, Netflix didn't offer that as their reasoning. They've effectively given no reasoning at all, which is kinda what Netflix does. You don't get to see ratings, and you certainly don't get to know why a show lives or dies.

I mean, the most obvious reasoning is that it cost too much, but that's speculation. And while it's completely understandable to end a show that costs $9M an episode to produce, it makes far less sense to not work with writers/directors on making sure it ends properly. The cost of production wasn't news. It wasn't hidden from anyone. But the Wachowskis clearly thought this was a 5-season show, from what they've said about it in the past.

Pretty dumb.

This to say nothing of Netflix dropping their support of Net Neutrality, but that's for another forum and another thread.

I was, and thank you.

But Battle Planet wasn't VII.
VII was Island of Monsters.
VIII was Battle Planet.

So I'm not sure which one won. I'll assume both.

I can't imagine why anything would get cancelled since I'm a snob Netflix gives nearly every show a 97% or more match for me.

Clearly, Netflix only has good content.

My wife watches Miss Fisher's Murder Mysteries and MLP.

Netflix: You should watch Archer and One Punch Man.

My Wife:

One Punch Man's opening episode was about the funniest thing ever.....and the next four episodes only made me laugh once.

I thought the whole thing was pretty funny, but yeah, the first episode is on another level.

I just really enjoyed all the superhero names and gimmicks. Guys like Mumen Rider and Tank Top Tiger made me laugh my ass off. The show just has this nice blend of funny and sappy and stupid.

I do wish maybe he didn't gib everyone he punched, because I'd maybe actually talk my wife into watching it if he didn't. But, anime.

Netflix need higher cancellation rates in the same way that professional sports teams need rookies: money.

Every season that a show is successful mean that next season the actors and directors (at least) are getting a pay bump. Much like how veterans on a football team are getting paid more than a rookie. Normally, on cable TV, a successful show demands higher advertisement revenue (TVs main profit stream), and therefore can cover the cost of a more successful show. Netflix, without ads, has no way of recouping these costs other than the dwindling home media sales (which, if you have Netflix, begs the question as to why you'd buy the shows you can already watch on Netflix on DVD?). So basically Netflix needs it's stalwart shows (hey, you GOTTA get Netflix to watch X) as well as a steady stream of 1-2 season shows (oh man, did you see that Netflix is going to release X?). Having a bunch of shows that run for 5+ seasons doesn't work for them as well as it does for cable TV.

Which, again, I agree with, but the shows that they cancel also need to finish. Their business model has folks like me going "You gotta get Netflix to watch Sense8", but instead, now, I would not recommend the show to anyone unless they decided to finish it with a special or something. In addition, while the hot new stuff still applies to the Netflix market, the main pull of Netflix is to be able to watch whatever you want whenever you want. So having unfinished shows that they've spent $9M per episode on, is dumb money. I'm not saying they need to be long, just finished.

That's the problem. Netflix can produce a whole season of a show for the cost of 1-2 episodes. It simply must not have been pulling the needed numbers/attraction to justify spending that type of cash (and if just ONE of those shows is a hit? It's a win). Cheaper to write it off as a loss than to finish it. I agree, as a consumer it's foolish to end the show without an "ending" (although it's still possible it's wrapped up somehow (a Netflix movie, a comic book, etc).

There's most likely other factors we'll probably never be privy to as well. Did some of the writers get other gigs? Did the Wachowskis want more (money, freedom, time, etc)? Did the actors want more? Did whoever was championing Sense8 on the exec side leave/get fired?

Well, when they make the rules for their own algorithms, it's very easy to say what you will probably like even if it isn't remotely true. I've had some good recommendations from Netflix and some true head-scratchers. And I'm not even counting the My Little Pony recommendation because my daughter watched Sofia the First on my personalized account.

You just reached me on another level. Here I am analyzing salary cap stuff and offseason moves for the Vikings and Broncos and you tied it in to Netflix. Bravo.

Those are all reasons I've seen before to one degree or another and Netflix is far from the only entity to leave folks on a cliffhanger. It's just fresh in our minds. I understand the hard money analysis and cutting losses but it seems like there is more at play here than just the money analysis. Sense8 is a pretty highly rated show and to cancel it with what people are saying is a huge cliffhanger tells me that something is happening behind the scenes that they aren't telling us. That or they're like so many good shows that started out with too large of a budget and couldn't justify keeping up production.