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Currently, constructs that are being held are not considered occupying the same square or adjacent to the character holding them, or to any character adjacent to the character holding the construct. Also, if herc is holding 2 objects, one being a construct, and uses flurry, he will use the construct.
What you could do is make the construct, have sargon swap it with an object across the board, then tk Larfleeze such that the construct moves next to an opposing figure and attack them.
A question I do have, and this will drive Questions crazy, but do held Constructs count toward the 2 on the map in regards to Larfleeze generating more?
I'm thinking of a Congorilla/Rip It Up idea/Sargon team
A question I do have, and this will drive Questions crazy, but do held Constructs count toward the 2 on the map in regards to Larfleeze generating more?
I'm thinking of a Congorilla/Rip It Up idea/Sargon team
A question I do have, and this will drive Questions crazy, but do held Constructs count toward the 2 on the map in regards to Larfleeze generating more?
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They are not on the map.
You're right ChiRocker especially since I knew the answer would be that they are not on the map. What I'd like to know is what in the rules informs us that they are not on the map? It seems that this is a bad ruling based on...I actually don't know what this is based on. Why bother saying in the rules that "an object carried by a character can’t normally be targeted, destroyed, or taken away from the carrying character" if it is not on the map. If it's not on the map it obviously can't be targeted or destroyed or taken away since it's not even on the map. This also begs the question of how Phantom Girl can affect an object. If it's not on the map, how does a character on the map affect an object that is not on the map? It's also doesn't mesh well with the Battle Map Removal rules (which all deal with characters) which indicate that a character off the map isn't affected by elements on the map. But apparently the same does not hold true for objects. And at the end of it all, what does this ruling do to enhance the game? To be honest, I have no idea but I'm open to suggestions.
If Sargon swapped one of standard objects with a Construct, I'd rule that Hercules no longer met the criteria of his special power and would have to choose to drop one of the held objects immediately.
If he would be forced to drop the object/construct couldnt I then attack with Larfleeze? What if instead of charge/flurry with him he was givin a move action to grab the objects and based someone holding two objects then got swapped and dropped them. Would that work? This would be kinda pointless cuz like you said there are much better ways of getting the constructs moved (swap and TK) but Im curious
O and another question I saw someone say you can create an object next to an opposing charcter then poison them in the same turn. How does this work when poison says at the beginning of your turn and his SP says once during your turn you can create an object?
What happens if you're on top of an object? Can you be on top of a construct? I think there's some rule that says characters are never adjacent to the square they're on? Or is that just for themselves?
If he would be forced to drop the object/construct couldnt I then attack with Larfleeze? What if instead of charge/flurry with him he was givin a move action to grab the objects and based someone holding two objects then got swapped and dropped them. Would that work? This would be kinda pointless cuz like you said there are much better ways of getting the constructs moved (swap and TK) but Im curious
If the Construct is in a square on the map, yes, Larfleeze could use it to attack an opposing character.
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O and another question I saw someone say you can create an object next to an opposing charcter then poison them in the same turn. How does this work when poison says at the beginning of your turn and his SP says once during your turn you can create an object?
The beginning of your turn is part of your turn. Any power that can be used during your turn can thus be used during the beginning of the turn... the problem is that any non-free action that does not specifically say it can be used during the beginning of the turn (see the feat 'In Contact with Oracle' for an example of such an action) would then cause the beginning of the turn phase to end.
Practically, this means that as long as Larfleeze is still able to place Constructs as a free action, he could place one and then use Poison since the beginning of the turn has not ended.
What happens if you're on top of an object? Can you be on top of a construct? I think there's some rule that says characters are never adjacent to the square they're on? Or is that just for themselves?
Characters are not usually adjacent to objects if they are in the same square as the object, correct. However, from the PG:
Orange Constructs: Orange Construct objects are objects that can't be picked up and are removed from the game if Larfleeze is KO'd. Whenever Larfleeze is moved, after actions resolve you may move any or all Orange Construct objects an equal amount. Larfleeze considers characters adjacent to or in the same square as an Orange Construct object to be adjacent to Larfleeze for Poison and close combat purposes.
If he would be forced to drop the object/construct couldnt I then attack with Larfleeze?
If Hercules was forced to drop the Orange Contruct object, then it is just like any other Orange Construct object on the battle field and Larfleeze could attack through it.
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What if instead of charge/flurry with him he was givin a move action to grab the objects and based someone holding two objects then got swapped and dropped them. Would that work?
That would work. Since he is holding one standard object and one Orange Construct object, his special power would cease to function and he would need to drop one of the two objects. He could choose to drop the Orange Construct object and then see above.
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O and another question I saw someone say you can create an object next to an opposing charcter then poison them in the same turn. How does this work when poison says at the beginning of your turn and his SP says once during your turn you can create an object?
Effects that can occur once during your turn can be done during the beginning of your turn as long no non-free actions have been performed. (Unless the non-free action specifically says it can be done during the beginning of your turn in which case it does not end the beginning of your turn.) And if the effect itself requires a non-free action it will end the beginning of the turn itself. (So Larfleeze can do it as long as there are 0 or 1 Orange Construct objects on the battle field.)
From the Player's Guide:
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The ―beginning of turn‖ ends with the first non-free action assigned to a character, unless that action specifically states that it can be given during the beginning of the turn.
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You can't drop objects. That is why I suggested using congorillas, as they can flip over and lose Super Strength.
Like normalview said, Hercules can if he ends up holding one standard object and one Orange Construct object because the aspect of his special power that allows him to carry two objects would stop functioning and he would need to drop one of them.
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What happens if you're on top of an object? Can you be on top of a construct? I think there's some rule that says characters are never adjacent to the square they're on? Or is that just for themselves?
You can occupy the same square as an Orange Construct object. While you are not adjacent to it, you are in the same square as it and Larfleeze can perform close combat and Poison through an Orange Construct object in the same square as a character.
From the Player's Guide:
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Orange Constructs: Orange Construct objects are objects that can't be picked up and are removed from the game if Larfleeze is KO'd. Whenever Larfleeze is moved, after actions resolve you may move any or all Orange Construct objects an equal amount. Larfleeze considers characters adjacent to or in the same square as an Orange Construct object to be adjacent to Larfleeze for Poison and close combat purposes.
So what's the standing ruling until we hear something? My guess is 'yes, outwit the power, the constructs vanish,' but I'd like to know before I maybe play him tonight.