I don't think there are 10 good non gauntlet teams that could compete with Gauntlet teams.

But to each their own. Just my personal preference. Like RPGambit said

But lets see.... those of you who think you have non- gauntlet teams that can beat a gauntlet team..... Post them here! Unless you are afraid of what the results will show.

to not be outwitted, yes. But in this environment of tentpoles, if Magog gets the first whack then there isn't enough damage left for the opponent to knock Magog out. I was taking the position of the suicide run. I'd rather have the IG giving somebody TK for one round to chain TK my Magog into the opponent's face. Of course Magog would need help (in form of Perplex and PC), but he's meant to one-hit KO pieces at the highest level. And if he does, he can follow-up Charge on the potential outwitter (if there is one).

But yeah, if you couldn't reliably get the alpha, then IG on Magog would be preferable.

He was talking about prob as well so I guess things got muddled. You are stuck to free moving because if you do a normal move you will take a click to keep tk.

So what are the top 10 gauntlet teams then. We know 1 with stranger and 2 AIM Renegades. What else. I ask this because you seem to know something I don't or your just making stuff up.

It isn't quite "making stuff up" to say that the best gauntlet teams will be better than the best non-gauntlet teams. It is similar to saying "n+1 > n". You don't need to know n to know that n+1 is greater than n itself. The gauntlet is the +1.

In fact, here's the challenge for you non-gauntlet folks. Show me a team that isn't improved by swapping out a character and adding the gauntlet.

Agreed ^^^^^

+1 is better than not +1

Galactus. Ziran. Both can't be improved with Gauntlet at 300. Both are very powerful and can take down many teams, well rounded or with the Gauntlet. Maps are their bane, though.

It is a little disingenuous to suggest 300 pt colossals as a response to my challenge. They aren't exactly "teams" and they literally cannot fit the gauntlet, no matter whether you want to or not. Also, if your team can't beat a colossal I don't think it stands a serious chance in a high level tournament since it isn't exactly brain surgery to say "Oh 300 pt modern? Well this guy right here is 300 points! <THWUMP>". Plus, as you said, they get de_stroyed by map choice, so all you need is a decent theme team to take them out.

So I suppose let me refine my challenge. Show me a team that *could* fit the gauntlet but is better without it.

That's why I said a Non-Gauntlet team that is successful has to be tight, because it would need to NOT be able to fit the Gauntlet at this moment to not be using it. If we get a few more Gamma Bomb/Cosmic Cube level items than maybe that changes. Currently though, yeah IG is the best 15pts you can spend.
I think most likely not. He will be great in higher point and amazing in Bizarro tourneys though.

@ Jarimy. Oh, yeah her map is great. I would say it's better than the Prison for most HSS heavy teams.

This has been the same for just about everyone know included myself ,soon as I seen the list I threw Metron in the metaphoric trash lol

I have the utmost respect for your ideas, opinions and grasp of the game. I, like you often try "reducing" this game in some area to a logic proof or mathematical equation. I feel this game is tangible, but dense.

So if my tone or responses seem offensive I apologize, it's because I was trying to respond quickly to things that required more time and thought. I wasn't trying to summarily dismiss your ideas.
Ok, I disagree with this. I don't think clicks of life = survivability. Which is what I assume you are talking about. I agree with the math here due to what we are currently seeing, but that is IF you assume a few hits. Also this assumes that the goal is to hit 2/3 on the Gauntlet. Which I agree is a realistic and solid goal, but I don't think this is in ANY WAY a pre-req.
Well, no. I think Astral makes a PERFECT taxi with the Gauntlet and Space Gem, unless I'm missing something. Carry someone up 7, THEN TK? Through walls? We can give a lot of figures a full board swing without a second TK. But I mean even in the days or Vulture 15pts for a taxi is good.
Let's say we're talking about a Very Aggressive team, akin to old E2 teams. Mid Game could be turn 2. Late game could be turn 3. Whether it wins or loses. I again agree with your math, but not the assessment. I feel like you can ask the question: is it worth 15pts for a ONE time TK. Like Alias except 15pts and grants TK. I think sometimes the answer is yes, and we can stop there. Are you getting the same usage out of it Stranger is? Probably not. But that doesn't mean it's inferior.
True, but like I said, it's a mental thing imo. When you say "Who are you going to use from GG?" People are going to say "Thanos, Keeper etc..." even though say Cosmo might be the most commonly used figure from the set.


Huh? If you're talking by end of July then according to Suttkus' thread we have
May 2012
02: Marvel Uncanny X-Men Fast Forces
05: Free Comic Book Day Thor
30: Marvel Chaos War Microset
0?: DC War of the Light Fast Forces
June 2012
06: DC Batman: The Dark Knight Rises movie microset (Movie releases on July 20th).
06: DC Batman: The Dark Knight Rises movie starter.
13: Marvel Chaos War (full set & Fast Forces)
0?: DC Batman: The Dark Knight Rises movie marquis figure
0?: DC Batman: The Dark Knight Rises movie minigame.

And July 5th is the current release date for the New 52 DC set.

So I think that's a LOT of stuff. Some of it has to do with the fact that I am not yet all the way into the Post-Retirement mindset. It's funny I expected WOS to retire so was expecting it to be retired, but am still not quite to the point that I grasp the NEW Meta.

What do the realms think of Amadeus Cho and Dirk Anger? At an even 130, I've been using the pair of them with the common Superman and the Soul and Power Gems with good results.

I scanned this whole thread. Here are the support gauntlet builds posted...


E-1 Supes 107
2x Johnny Quick 100
Rick Jones w/ full Gauntlet (AE in Cap Marvel) 88 pts total

300 pts:
Chase Loki 220
Coulson: -local meta will depend on who gets 4/6 gems and gauntlet. Either with gauntlet is good.

300 pts:
Magog 172
FF Supergirl 100
Astral Strange w/ Gauntlet mind gem 28

300 pts:
FF Quasar 175
Coulson with Gauntlet, Reality,Mind, and Power 75
Johnny Quick 50

That is a valid burden of proof.

Won't be Modern Age after July 1st, but currently

Lightspeed x 2
Impossible Man x 2
Dirk Anger
Leech

is competitive, especially against a tentpole build.