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but dude, it's not judgement in a vacuum

it's not just power leap in this set
it's not just power leap in this set and a bad rules article
it's not just power leap in this set and 2 bad rules articles
it's not just power leap in this set, 2 bad rules articles and a tone deaf response
it's not just power leap in this set, 2 bad rules articles, a tone deaf response and unpopular scale changes
it's not just power leap in this set, 2 bad rules articles, a tone deaf response, unpopular scale changes and wonky collation
it's not just power leap in this set, 2 bad rules articles, a tone deaf response, unpopular scale changes, wonky collation and another dose of power leap
it's not just power leap in this set, 2 bad rules articles, a tone deaf response, unpopular scale changes, wonky collation, another dose of power leap and VD
it's not just power leap in this set, 2 bad rules articles, a tone deaf response, unpopular scale changes, wonky collation, another dose of power leap, VD and a tone deaf response to VD
it's power leap in this set, 2 bad rules articles, a tone deaf response, unpopular scale changes, wonky collation, another dose of power leap, VD and a tone deaf response to VD, lack of marketing, AND an atmosphere of anxiety just waiting for the next shoe to drop

all this and a pandemic, too, where playing is at an all-time low.

i presented it this way to demonstrate the negative momentum they've been accruing and each additional misstep accumulates on the others. it's not a lack of letting wk unfold it and just wait and see. we're knee deep into the bold new agenda, my dude

legacy cards are cool, though

ok, but you should be paying fairly for it. because you don't have to play them with cheap sidekicks and then it's just an extra thick 75pt dial cause reasons
there's a lot of printed 3+ with cce in this set and some dials are excessively deep. it doesn't matter if they're "relatively simple" when you've got 9 clix of solid reducers and heavy dmg potential

not every dial needs to be complex to be undercosted or overpowered. i'm just asking for fairness and consistency

look at antman. on his own he's undercosted (and inappropriately long-lived for the character, but that's another conversation) but compared to the even more undercosted miss thing or she hulk, how are these comparable?

some dials are very bare with little depth and others pack a big wallop for their cost. it's all over the place
these are a great way to enhance existing collections. this is the kind of thing i've been looking for for a while

the hard-to-read glossy finish even has some serious '90s nostalgia vibes to it, too

easily the best idea they've had since avengers battlegrounds
oh most def, the restraint on the core four representation here is laudable

the set list itself is absolutely stellar, even if i'm salty about the execution
quoting for emphasis
my two biggest wants for this set were jim and darla

my two biggest letdowns for this set is the execution of the dials for jim and darla
that was very cool of them
wait for the legacy card

Captain #005 Spider-Man
Real Name: Peter Parker
Team: Fantastic Four
Range: 4
Points: 60/40
Keywords: Fantastic Four, Scientist

10 11 18 3

10 10 18 3

9 10 18 2

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9 10 17 2

8 10 17 2

8 10 17 2

7 9 17 2

7 9 17 2

KO KO KO KO

KO KO KO KO

KO KO KO KO

KO KO KO KO

Don't Forget To Look Both Ways Before Crossing The Street!: Friendly Sidekicks can use Super Senses.


...well at least Wizkids made sure not to let spider-man get hit with any powercreep. Gotta love that even in this day and age, spider-man gets ####tier and more 'hyper-focused' ie ignoring most of his powerset dials than frickin scott lang. He even got leap-climb!

Thankfully there's an awesome Fast Forces version.

I'd take that 40 point dial of I still had a way to push off the first click. Also, why no Spider-Fam kw?

Regarding She-Hulk, I brought this up in a different thread, but she's not that far off from others we've had before, even as recent as the CUR of the last Fantastic Four set. Full dial of armor, a lot of damage, even better gap closers and surviveability than this She-Hulk. More health is really the only thing going for her, especially compared to others. Looking at dial alone, I can't even fathom why this She-Hulk is that much more busted than other bricks that she is the poster child for power creep in this set.

Then again, I still remember being scoffed at for thinking Joker's Wild Man-Bat having no defense but Steal Energy and more health was an acceptable figure.

Heck, just the addition of Sidestep is amazing.

This poor beautiful moloid baby is going to get called Turd all his life.

now you're kinda arguing that she's not that power creepy compared to the caav standard, of which i'm still reeling from

dial length is an amazing amount of power on a dial, especially these days where the punch is so high that most pieces are one-shot. just getting two-shot is a huge boon. but even if you don't see the dials as unfairly costed, perhaps you can see that it's so ...arbitrary

like, why? why does scott have to have 9 clix? or medusa? jenny makes sense (even if not costed appropriately for it). to a much lesser extent, maybe darla, but this is the perfect example of forcing a design and sticking to the pattern beyond reasonable expectations for the character. and let's be honest, we're all here for the characters. we came for the license, stuck around for the mechanics. if we're not trying to accurately represent the character, why make them?

it's just so arbitrary.

and then there's the 60/40 dials where you get a ton more for half the cost added on, but ever since caav (actually, you could go back to ww) where higher starting lines have been adding more and more for less and less

more than the core rules changes, power leap is harmful to the game's longevity because the lack of consistency can only be pushed so far and it's ramping up speed like an exponential bell curve leaving stuff in the dust. seriously, with organized play dead, the expectation is to buy clix now for games later knowing full-well by the pace established that they will be lacking later when the new hotness comes into play. just look at all the printed 12s in this set

why on earth does reed richards do 5 dmg?!? power and costs are all over the place

Can I help you out with Scott Lang being 9 clicks?

I talk about it when I pull him. In Matt Fraction’s run on FF Scott Lang unlocks the true power of the Pym Particles. Once he does he becomes an incredible powerhouse and literally strips the armor off of his daughter’s killer, Dr. Doom in a 1 VS 1 battle.

Reed and the Future Foundation explain what he unlocked as this:
The Pym Particles don’t only affect people on 2 Axises, but 3.

Durability. Size Manipulation. Strength.

Heretofore any hero who had used the particles had only accessed two of the three at any given time. Scott discovered that you could unlock all three at once and used that massive power surge in his fight with doom.

Hope that helps you with the “why”.

Gotta say that I do wish the Stealth Suits Fast Forces figures had actual stealth up front on the dial. Could you imagine those Fantastic Four traits punishing people for moving into adjacency existing on stealthed FF figures?? Man. That would be so nasty!

Now it just seems like they threw black on the figures to give us a different look without the functionality and that bums me out.

That just leaves Medusa. And even as a huge fan of the Inhumans, all I can suggest is, "Dial Length can represent lots of abstract concepts..."

I really hope Sky is in this, but it's not looking good. On the plus side Red Ghost! With the apes were actual figs though

So I was going to address this again, because it seems to have gotten lost in the shuffle but I just said that I was scoffed at back in the day for saying what you are saying about being 2 shot, but about Joker's Wild Man-Bat. Everyone at the time was very angry about having no defense and instead had 6 clicks with full dial Steal Energy/Blades and a high movement speed and that was it. It's a figure that everyone HATED, and now that vanilla defense, straightforward one-trick-pony design and long dials are back they're being touted as an example of power creep??????????