All is forgiven. (I was just kidding anyway.)

Yeah, and what about Overload, Go Down Fighting, and Antarctic Research Base? :P

Big words just for you, Ertai87! Keep them under your hat when writing for that other site, though. I'd hate to see smoke coming out of the X-Recovery fan's ears.

*is confused*

i wish they would of just banned it before the PC. A crap load of people know it is a cheap card give advantage like crazy of course it is going to get banned. If UDE see that alot of VS player are mad that is card is around they will ban it. Why is this Discussion still going to. Just make a poll or something see how many people want frankie banned. Then Ude will ban it.

Open question: Did any of the players who voiced concerns about seeing "Frankie.dec" showing up at a PCQ near them actually see said deck show up over the weekend? If so, do you know if it top 8'd or not?

You're right about discarding first, I don't know what I was thinking. However, it's less important than what Frankie actually does.

In a vacuum, you might have a good point. But we're not in a vacuum. Frankie is a very, very good combo enabler due to both her power and her lack of being team-stamped in any way.

Combo decks all have the same few things in common. They use as much of the best search cards as they can; they try to see as many cards of their deck as possible; and they don't care about any cards that either aren't a part of their combo or aren't helping them find the missing parts. So it's very easy for a combo player to look at their hand and figure out what cards are "useless" and which aren't. A card like Frankie doesn't have to know what cards it is drawing into, it only needs to know if it has cards it wants to trade for a chance at getting the missing cards. Cards like Stranger and Mxy only help these combo decks to be a bit more complicated because they allow you to keep more pieces in your hand. But they don't do anything with finding or keeping a combo going.

Here's a question for you: What degenerate (or even extremely powerful) combo does Stranger or Mxy allow that doesn't include Frankie? If you get rid of Frankie, you cripple the combo decks that have been posted. If you get rid of Stranger or Mxy, you don't. They don't require being able to bring back a card or two every turn. They do require flying through their deck.

I'm not against banning Mxy or Stranger. But no matter what other cards should or shouldn't be banned, I can't see how Frankie isn't the #1 card on any "should be banned" list.

I only saw one Frankie.dec last weekend, and it came in just about dead last. I think one of the guys who dropped after round 3 (because his combo was errata'd) had a better record at the end than Frankie.dec.

Hm, good point. You're right, I was thinking in a vacuum and wasn't really considering the combo decks. Especially with all those search cards shuffling your deck and whatnot.

As for degenerate combos, well I can't think of any *combos* off the top of my head, but Phantom Stranger makes Great Guys far more powerful than it ought to be, and pretty much any deck playing characters these days plays an arbitrary 1X Mxy, 2X Slaughter Swamp, 4X EomE. That kind of speaks for itself, imo, doesn't it?

What was this erratta'd combo?

Perhaps the dreaded Chemo Combo?

Nope. Older than that. He tried to run Tommy+Surfer(5).

What was this eratta that stops this combo?

Surfer only bounces characters during the combat phase now, instead of also during the build phase when you could recruit Tommy over and over again.

Wow. What a change of events. I got home, took a hot bath, checked my email, found some orders for painted shoes alongside a whole slew of Wild Sentinel lovin', and then quoted Gambit's post because it is absolute gold.

Thank you everyone, much obliged.

...you're taking orders?