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wow! nice way to start the day (and i was just thinking...its how long til wednesday's preview??? )
before i wanted KC Hawkman because A) hes a KC Fig, B) he looks frigging amazing. but now that ive seen the dial...wow what an amzing piece for the points!
im sorry but toughness is a lot better than it seems on paper. it tends to get outwitted less, and will make his (much higher then anticipated but very happy for) 9 clicks last that much longer. this is a great great fig!
Originally posted by krusticlese
And could someone point out where in the entire 4 issues of Kingdom Come, that Hawkman was shown to have a range?
Would you rather he had a spear, and NO range? (Like that Uzi wielding chick in Indy?)
I don't remember him having a ranged attack in KC either, but maybe there's 1 panel somewhere that he impales someone with a spear. (Maybe it happened in 'The Kingdom' which I don't remember nearly as well.)
Really, I would have liked to see the standard universe Hawkman looking something like this. I might just throw the Hypertime Hawkman sculpt on this dial and use him in JSA teams.
And I agree about Toughness still being useful, primarily due to the fact that it rarely gets outwitted. When Havok or some other cheapy 4-damage guy is lining up a shot against an Impervious guy, you can bet that all effort will be made to Outwit the Impervious first if at all possible. If he's facing up against Toughness, it'll rarely get Outwitted unless the Outwitter has absolutely nothing better to do.
Net damage to Impervious character- 4.
Net damage to Toughness character- 3.
Originally posted by webhead817 *cough* Have you ever seen Ultron? Go look at his rookie and exp. (which fall points wise on either side of Hawkman here)...then tell me this is "power creep".
I see your point, but I've gotta say that I think Invulnerability is seriously over costed next to the utility of Running Shot and Charge.
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Originally posted by eagletsi I don't know KC very well. Was Hawkman really a man with a Hawk Head or is that a cowl he is wearing. From the Click it looks like a Hawk Head.
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According to Alex Ross, the artist who did Kindom Come, that's actually his head. He's supposed to have evolved over the years into a more Egyptian pantheon looking creature. (assuming I'm remembering correctly from what I once read. )
"Think of it, Batman. To never again walk on a summer's day with a hot wind in your face and a warm hand to hold. Oh yes, I'd KILL for that." Mister Freeze
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"You may think I am evil. I am not. I am efficient." Darth Maul
Originally posted by webhead817 *cough* Have you ever seen Ultron? Go look at his rookie and exp. (which fall points wise on either side of Hawkman here)...then tell me this is "power creep".
Hehehe
Needless to say, even though he's a hero, I like him and is one of the ones I want from this set.
Sweet! A new HCR preview (we didn't even get one for MM, did we?) I am stoked about this et. KC Hawkman just adds fuel to that fire!
Silly question time. My venue likes to use Highlander Rules. So WHO is this KC Hawkman? For the life of me I can't remember. I don't think he is referred to by name, but it has been a while since I read KC.
If I am thinking correctly, using Highlander rules your could put this "Hawkman" and the HT "Hawkman" on the same team, because they are different people. (But then again, with Hawkman you could almost say each level is a different guy/deity/alien)
Back on the topic of this preview. I must reiterate, SWEET! and Stoked!
Originally posted by Lofcutus
Silly question time. My venue likes to use Highlander Rules. So WHO is this KC Hawkman? For the life of me I can't remember. I don't think he is referred to by name, but it has been a while since I read KC.
I believe it's the standard Hawkman character only 10 years or so in the "future". Hmm, I think he was actually called HawkGod in some of the sketches in the back of my copy of KC where Alex Ross is identifying the huge cast of characters... I think I'm gonna have to dig that book out and check sometime today. Hmm.
"Think of it, Batman. To never again walk on a summer's day with a hot wind in your face and a warm hand to hold. Oh yes, I'd KILL for that." Mister Freeze
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"You may think I am evil. I am not. I am efficient." Darth Maul
"Power. Such an ephemeral commodity; Hard to gain, easy to lose. And I once thought I understood it. What vanity." Thanos of Titan
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Originally posted by Mr. Cranberry I may have to disagree with you on this. I still think Sauron & KC Supes could have it; though it could beat out the Supes.
Awesome as expected and a solid mix of powers and points.
RE: Toughness:
Hawkman gets hit by V Ultimate Black Widow for 3 damage.
Without Toughness Hawkman's stats:
9 Movement
10 Attack
16 Defense
2 damage w/ CCE
Hawkman's stats with Toughness:
10 Movement w/ Charge
11 Attack
16 Defense
4 damage for both range and Close-Combat
In addition Toughness provides defense against Poison and a real poor roll on Blade/Claws/Fangs.
It still has uses, adds to the life span of a character, and isn't very expensive at all. You'd be amazed what that 2 clicks of Tougheness does for Sgt Rock at the end of his dial...
Visible Dials and Pushing Damage need to be optional. This is the way.
Well I can think of a million hypothetical situations to where it works out well. How about Vet Logan get's hit by CM Elektra............uh oh, she's put him on his flurry+BCF click!
My point was it doesn't have near the utility of willpower, barrier, INV or Imp................heck, if Cheetah had toughness instead of SS it would drop her usefulness to me greatly. It's a cheap power, which has its uses, but one I stay away from.
Luke B.
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Originally posted by tyroclix Awesome as expected and a solid mix of powers and points.
RE: Toughness:
Hawkman gets hit by V Ultimate Black Widow for 3 damage.
Without Toughness Hawkman's stats:
9 Movement
10 Attack
16 Defense
2 damage w/ CCE
Hawkman's stats with Toughness:
10 Movement w/ Charge
11 Attack
16 Defense
4 damage for both range and Close-Combat
In addition Toughness provides defense against Poison and a real poor roll on Blade/Claws/Fangs.
It still has uses, adds to the life span of a character, and isn't very expensive at all. You'd be amazed what that 2 clicks of Tougheness does for Sgt Rock at the end of his dial...