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I think the biggest recent "ret-con" that hate the most is the Gwen Stacy thing. The one where she slept with Norman and had 2 kids by him... UUUGGGHHHH.
Ugh...forgot about that. To quote Kevin Smith in 'An Evening with Kevin Smith', "Thanks for bringing up really painful @%$*@% memories." lol
After read the Boneyard bios I know what he is not only a Suerman clone ALSO they "say" what he was a Avenger or hero and something take out the memory??!! COME ON! is not only bad, really bad.
ALSO that was the exactly history of a DC Hero in ero hour, someone remember thename, was a guy blonde with the same thing (Nobody remember him but he was a JLA hero etc)
The guys name was Triumph and it was not Zero Hero but JLA trade.
On Mysterio's undeath:
This Snafu is completely Kevin Smith's fault. He asked the Spidey-group editors for permission to use Mysterio, not to actually kill him. And since comics take a good 2-4 months of lead-time to create (12 months for McFarland books), there was no way to change this in time to keep the regular spiderman books up to par.
On Colossus's undeath:
Well, he was dead as dead. Then aliens stole his body to do tests on him. And in the process, they used advanced technology to revive him. This was done in an ineresting fashion, and sets up the question for a storyteller to answer later - does he have a soul?
On Jason Todd:
Um, who said that this was Jason Todd from Earth-1 running around as Red Hood?
On Ra's al-Ghul's death:
Nice example of comic storytelling and life and death issues.
On JLI taking a hit:
Don't be too surprised when a certain group of heroes find themselves removed from Earth-1, going back to a happier world and being the premier heroes there (in a world where people will say Superwho? Batwho?).
We need Sand. And Sandman. And even Sandy the Golden Boy.
Actually I am rather happy that some of the stuff happened for the sheer fact that now almost all the wrong that Grant Morrison did to my beloved X-men has been corrected. The only thing that Grant Morrison should have written in the Marvel Universe, was the 'Nuff Saids in my opinion. Bendis did some wierd things, but like everything else someone will come along and change it. A few years ago, Mavel posted something that said dead means dead now. But we have so many characters back from the dead I lost count.
The only thing DC is doing that annoys me now is how they gutted the old JLI.
Blue Beetle dead.
Max evil, then dead.
Sue dead.
Rocket Red dead.
Booster Gold going home.
I'm sure I'm missing some.
It just makes me sad that one team gets hit so hard.
Yes, it's annoying, remember Ice also died... elongated man doesn't count anymore, fire is in an hospital... where is captain atom? JLI was a nice team and stronger than anyone could think: captain atom, wally west Flash, metamorpho (he is great), fire, ice, guy gardner, martian manhunter, batman, blue beetle, booster gold, power girl, crimsom fox and a few more... i think they're strong enough to face any team.
Bringing back the dead is just a sign the writers have run out of ideas and probably aren't all that good at their craft.
The one character I wish would have stayed dead is Hal Jordan. Why should he have stayed dead? Because they exsonerated him of what he did and also I hate him as a character. I just find him boring to read. I think alot of what they are doing in bring back character, has to do with the company and what they want to do with a character. Its not that the writers run out of ideas but that they sometimes think that they can do a great story with a character. When Wizard interview Grant Morrison he said that of stories that he wants to do with the characters just goes for it.
agreed on the jli.
agreed on bucky.
agreed on hal.
one character i hope they never bring back, and my apologies to his supporters, is barry allen.
barry has become much more interesting in death than he ever was while alive.
Captain Atom got sucked into the Wildstorm Universe, I think that is to deactivate the Kingdom Come future, if Atom isn't split by the Parasite, no KC crisis.
I think the best line was in the Grant Morrison JLA when Tomorrow Woman dies and at the funeral the priest says something like 'Unlike normal Superheroes don't stay dead for long' ... the look on superman's face is precious.
"When they come to take control every Ogre must play his role"
I think the best line was in the Grant Morrison JLA when Tomorrow Woman dies and at the funeral the priest says something like 'Unlike normal Superheroes don't stay dead for long' ... the look on superman's face is precious.
I so agree. Personally the worst writers today are John Byrns and Chris Claremont. Although I will admit that X-Men the end is good.
Mary Shelley really jumped the shark when she started dealing with issues of life and death, didn't she?
We're talking about comic books here, not romantic-era novels (which is possibly as boring as anything Henry James wrote).
And as you read Frankenstein mein freund you obviously know that the monster was not a single person alive prior to his "reanimation," but rather a conglomoration of parts of different people, so not quite EXACTLY the same as killing off an individual and bring them back.
Besides, Frankenstein is a book whose plot is better than its execution. Shelly gets her props for the idea, but lordy lordy I couldn't imagine anything more boring than having to read Frankenstein.
I'm ticked about Colossus. I never really liked him a whole lot, but when he sacrificed his life to end the Legacy Virus, it was a sad and heroic story. And now, if I'm not mistaken (I quit reading the x-books during Morrison's run, which I didn't really care for) Colossus is alive again. This kind of thing (another example is Jason Todd coming back) takes a beautiful, tragic, heroic story, and totally makes demeans the worth of it.
I do admire when the companies try something new and daring, but bringing people back from the dead isn't it.
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Ya see...I am the opposite. They killed off Colossus in, IMO, a senseless way. It seemed like "He's just a big strong guy, no depth, lets off him" kinda way.
When Whedon brought him back I RAN to the store to buy my first X-Book since he died.
What we do in life echoes in eternity!
Respect is a given, only disrespect can be earned.
As others have pointed out, it's all in the execution. A mess like Winick's handling of Jason Todd (he really has said in interviews that he hasn't worked out exactly how Jason's back from the dead, he just though it would make a neat story so he did it) illustrate the bad side of retcons and bringing characters back. But Brubaker's Winter Soldier story, which has resurrected Bucky, is actually a well-told, compelling story, which I think is why their has not been more outrage over the resurrection (not to mention the death of Nomad).
I think the best retcon/resurrection ever is still Alan Moore's "The Anatomy Lesson", in which he brought Swamp Thing back from the dead and totally altered the character's nature and motivation. It still ranks in my mind as one of the best single issues of the last several decades.
I had a problem with how Grant Morrison peed all over the Doom Patrol. To me it would have been a great story if he'd used his own characters instead of the Doom Patrol (like the Watchmen). This is the reason John Byrne did what he did with the current incarnation. So now the Doom Patrol is a bigger mess then Hawkman became.
Personally, I think the Vertigo books should be a seperate continuity from standard DC books. I didn't care for what was done to Black Orchid either.
I thought Morrison's Doom Patrol was the most original team book I'd ever read. And besides, he basically did make up Crazy Jane and Rebus. Robotman worked, too--without him, the narrative would have fallen apart into surrealism, but Cliff kept things grounded.