I think she'll be an LE or Vet dialed like the COH or Giant figs.

Remember they offered the City of Heros/Villians prizes to support the game last year.

Oh of course, let me check http://www.kirkmania.com/ again to confirm my facts.....

Oh wait, his site is STILL down (which I noticed this morning that it went down after this whole fiasco he and his fans created for us Heroclix players. Interesting.)

Wizkids can claim anything it wants after the fact. The fact was that during the first collectors set voting you could get in multiple votes. Folks did it, it diluted the voting pool. With now having to have a log-in ID to vote can CUT BACK on duplicate voting, but doesn't do away with it entirely. WK can go "oh yeah, we caught those. Relax guys," without having to fix a thing. Much the same way you claim Kirkman was telling his fans NOT to vote twice. Again, no way to confirm that, so pardon me if I find this whole "Robert Kirkman is a stand-up guy" concept hard to swallow. What, you his cousin or something? You'd have a BBQ last weekend with him and his family? How would you know if he's a good guy or not? Just because you like his work doesn't mean he doesn't kick puppies when no one is looking.

And like my opinion of him or his work matters. Since his characters are the most popular Indy book printed in the last 30 years, everyone around here would know I'm wrong. His work was SO popular that numerous folks went "What the heck is Invincible?" when it was included in the ballot.

Besides, he publishes under the Image logo, the gold standard for nice guys in the industry. They'd never do anything questionable, oh no. Not at all. It's not like anyone who ever published under that logo has ever did anything questionable, short of plagarize one of the most recognizable characters printed by Marvel......

Little interest was shown in Invincible prior to the collectors set. Quite a few folks have said they probably won't or will not buy this collectors set. Put me down as someone on the "probably not" list, for this set.

And as far as "attacking" Kirkman, I'm sorry. He might be the nicest guy in the world. His book might be the "most creative" (and man, do I use THAT with sarcasm. Take the two most popular comic characters in creation, combine the two, you get Invincible) book ever published. But my introduction to him and his work tainted my view of it. Sorry if it bugs you, but I'm not thrilled with Invincible being the first "players vote" collectors set.

That really shouldn't be a standard to judge by- We regularly get people here asking "Who the heck is XXX?!" when XXX has been an established character for 30+ years

That's a fair enough point. Although, that type of question doesn't usually include a title character (not too many "Who is Firestorm?" or "Who is Hellboy?" threads were started when those characters were included. Invincible is not as well known as Hellboy, easily.)

Like I said, hard for me to overlook a ballot stuff to "win" the popular vote, when a good portion of us were scratching our heads over the titles inclusion in the balloting in the first place. Wizkids knew this honked off their customer base, or else why was the Green Lantern Corps announced so quickly, and for that matter, the characters are all known from GLC well before any pictures/set release/etc. Even in front of Invincible Collectors Set being spoiled?

Meh. The figures better look outstanding, or I'm pretty sure I'll pass on them.

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Frontman, I find it interesting that you are worried about so many people not buying an Invincible Collector's Set that it would hamper future sets being made and then openly state you will probably not buy one.

If you are so worried about the way the vote turned out hurting Invincible sales, do your part to support Clix and buy a set.

I know I will. Of course, Invincible was, by far, my #1 choice from the beginning so it's a no-brainer purchase for me.

Also, how do you know Invincible readers won't buy some of these sets? Will they all? Of course not, neither will all Clix players. But to immediately dismiss all the readers who voted because 'they won't buy any of these sets' (according to you) is a groundless generalization. If the set comes out and then tanks, you might have a point. But not now.

As for WK quickly announcing a GL set as well, they did it to hopefully soothe the inevitable second-place whiners.

It was a nice thought. Wish it would've worked.

My concern with the collectors sets is that we may have a popular (i.e. well-purchased) set that inspires greater production for a followup set that may not sell as well...causing future disruptions in supply/demand.

We saw this happen with Indy overstock (plus leftover Mutant Mayhem and Ultimates) causing a massive cutback in DC Legacy. If we can put accusations of ballot-box stuffing aside, all those voters for Invincibles collectors sets had better buy that set, or the program risks serious damage/disruption.

It should be obvious that less than expected sales are the reason for products like Sentinels and Sinestro Constructs (and also Map-Packs) are no longer considered viable sellers (outside of 'exclusive' figures).

I would have definitely provided my credit card info (when voting) for any number of the candidates, as a show of good faith that I'd actually buy my first choice...would a majority of other voters do the same?

Well, two if you count champion and Fellowship, but they will be the same piece. The other week is the Sinister marquee.
I find it odd that none of the prizes are labeled CD Map scenario, since July is supposed to be the month for playing the top vote getter in the scenario contest.

Also I don't see this being a promo piece, since in the past promos have been used for participation prizes not first and fellowship.
But on second thought, since they will be promo prizes for the pre-release, I guess I'm not sure.

Yeah.

I don't really blame Kirkman for what he did, in my enthusiasm I would probsably do the same if something I had created were up for something like that, but it WAS rigging the election, regardless of how understandable it might have been.

Kirkman is a nice guy. You have no basis for claiming otherwise. You don't know him, and from your comments you barely even know OF him.

Most comic fans are more familliar with Invincible than with half the characters in Sinister (Charcoal? Jessica Jones? Jewel? Jack O'Lantern? Arkon?). Now most people probably won't know all the characters within the Invincible set, but that's why it's a collector's set, you're guaranteed to get the popular characters along with the side characters.

Ok i get it you just like to spread mis-information.
Or is that just that you like acting lke you know what your talking about when really you're just spitting crud outta your mouth?

The site you went to has NEVER been up, his site is the image forums at:
httphttp://www.imagecomics.com/messageboard/viewforum.php?f=2&sid=c3155f100fc9d658ac0f72461163823e

So you insult his book, and his character because some internet goofs , what, told you so?
Frontman, you're kinda making me sick to my stomach.

Clearly, Kirman wins out in the moral compass olympics.

Being venomous, and spiteful because you decided to listen to the version of events you choose to listen to..

Obviously theres no point in discussing the truth of said matter with you as you'll find some way to tell me that the truth isn't in fact the truth.

And yes I've met him and spent time with him.

I'm the guy who introduced him to the (then) WK folks as a matter of fact.

Is there a reason why its so important to be insulting of the guy?
And of me?
Can you not accept that...
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You
Are
Wrong?


NO I think not.
You'v made it clear that its easier for you to attack Kirkman and myself on a personal level rather than beleave that you got your facts all wrong.

Insult away O moderator of spite and shamelessness!

I suspect that Invincible won because of Indy fans among the HeroClix players voting for Indy because it is Indy, rather than Invincible fans among non-HeroClix players.

Once you discount the effects of someone voting multiple times, I do not believe that there were enough Invincible fans motivated to vote to outweigh actual HC fans. And what kind of internet poll doesn't log the IP address of voters? Even if WK hadn't considered the possibility of multiple voters, it would be easy to spot them after the fact and not count those votes.

But there are lots of people who will vote Indy over Marvel or DC regardless of what it is. I'm expecting a huge groundswell of support for the Combat Colin and Semi-Automatic Steve collector's set.

fanboy spat!

Anything other then DC is always a good thing.

I can't believe there is still an issue about dupe voting, groundswell of votes, etc over this Invincible set.

The final proof will be in the numbers sold.

If WK's info stated 3000 units would be sold and 300 are actually bought meaning they've got tons of Invincible collector sets filling their offices, then they will have a very good reason to change the way voting is done.

If they expect 3000 units sold and they meet those expectations then everyone that complained about how unfair the system is was wrong.

I'll put my faith in WK's pocketbook and go with them making the best financial decision they can.

All I know for sure is Invincible is saving me 30 bucks - so that's not too shabby...

I can't wait. I love Invincible!!!!!

man people like you sadden me.

You of course realise that the 1st and ONLY comics company to polarize fans is and was Marvel.

Fans of comics should read comics.
Fans of ONLY Marvel need to grow up.