I have to think Sandman rape would be pretty brutal for a few reasons

1. Lubrication, I mean the guy is sand that has to hurt.

2. Let's face it the guy is as large as wants to be.

Which brings me to question why Sue really loves Reed ? Certainly isn't his bedside manner.

Also, does anyone remember back in Amazing Spider-Man 531, or 532, when Titanium Man attacked Spidey and at the end Tony gave him his money....Tony's one sneaky dude! And it seems he's trying to prove something.

now, as I understand it : didn't sandman become sort of a hero once, and then a new writer said " you know, it'd be easier if sandman were a villain again for my story", so he slapped together something to dump all sandman's character development in the john. only recently is sandman being built back up into a more complex character.

who was the writer? what made sandman change to a good guy for a while? what is sandy's status now?

( sorry for all the questions, I don't read a lot of old 616 stuff)

I think it was Howard Mackie. I don't remember the story exactlly, but I think Sandman was manipulated into joining the Sinister Six again and Venom ate a piece of him. That made Sandman go crazy and he lived as part of a beach for a while. Then his brain split apart into different aspects of his psyche and I think he recently reassembled himself.

I don't remember how he became a good guy. Probably examining his life and seeing how crappy it was thanks to his villainous ways. I know he was part of Silver Sable's Wild Pack and the Avengers.

I have no idea what his status is now, but after all that I think they just made him a bad guy again. Or will anyway with the movie coming out.

oh, okay, thanks, but comic movies don't follow current continuity all the time ( dr. octavius = not dead in 616 universe)

when I came to this realization, all my complaints about comic movies melted away, and that realization is:

COMIC MOVIES ARE WORKS OF FAN FICTION.

He met Ben Grimm in a bar, had drinks, and changed his ways.
Yes, he was depressed about how crappy it was due to his villainous ways.
When the Sandmen merged back together the bad one seemed to be dominant,
so we would seem to currently have a bad Sandman.

The long-term storyline hasn't been an issue at Marvel since Joe Q took over. They don't care about the story, they just want to sell a lot of books so they don't get fired. Look at House of M... what lasting effects were there? A couple of mutants lost their powers temporarily, and War Machine got a new ride. Whoopie.

In Marvel's defense, they know how to make stupid people buy their stuff... where I work, we sell trucks of anything with the Civil War banner across it, no matter how much we tell people not to. I could sell a few dozen copies of NFL Superpro if it had the half-cover thing going.

Demographics by age:
under 21 years old,
- the success of the movies didn't catch them right away or else they'd have been here a couple of years ago buying Ultimate Spider-Man. They don't know who the characters are, so Cap, Iron Man, Spidey and the rest are being defined by the modern writers, whether or not they're correct.

21-30,
1 - they started reading in the 90's. Most got caught buying hot stuff like Wildcats and shiny covers so they dropped off for a while. The internet says this title is the next big thing, so they come back, hoping it'll "go up." A lot of these are the guys that take multiple copies of Moon Knight #1, and ask me if I can find the top 5 first appearances listed in Wizard every month.
2 - they read Spider-Man or X-Men exclusively and sample from the quarter bins. Budget didn't permit them to buy everything at the time, so they have a narrow view of the Marvel universe, and wouldn't know a good story if it bit them.
3 - they sampled from all companies, but haven't read enough of any Marvel title to know the details.

31+,
- virtually no one. In Montreal, there is an element of language to consider. The guys who speak poor english developped their loyalty to a character in the 70's, when a local company was making black and white reprints in french. They know the old material very well, but can't process the new stuff as well, so they collect the characters they're used to.

By the way, just because Marvel says something won't happen, that doesn't mean it's true. Most of what they tell the public is a lie.

Ah, well thanks for filling in the blanks there.

And I only meant they might bring him back because it's easier to cash in on comics when the villain in the movie is slapped on the cover. Kinda like how Doc Ock popped up all over the place when Spider-Man 2 came out.

Sandman was traumatized when, during one of his attacks on Spider-Man, he teamed up with Hydro-man. Somehow the two bad guys became merged. A Mud monster. Anyhow, they were finally seperated (I think it was a two issue thing) and Sandy was scared as hell after that, mostly of water.
So, this altered his thinking and he decided he wanted to go straight. That led to his work with the good guys here and there. Even met up with Ben Grimm for a hockey game and some beers.
While working for Silver Sable, he was again made a bad guy by his former parten, The Wizard. Who used a device to free up Sandy's evil side.
Then he got screwed over by the Sinister Seven, which had Venom on it and he took Sandy down by taking a chunk out of Sandy. SAndy later reformed into several different "people" including a small girl and a woman, I believe, they all finally merged in Sandman.
Since then, he's not been seen from what I know.

Scarlet Witch still hasn't been heard from. Hawkeye (Clint) was brought back to life. Quicksilver is once again a villian. Prof X has no powers. A population of almost 1-2 million (something like that) being reduced to less then 200? I agree Marvel wussed out the fall out/after math but HoM did have lasting results. I mean it didn't have amazing long lasting effects like the JLA breaking up, I'm guessing your a DC fan (by your somments and avatar and would try to claim that IC had some long lasting effects).

Sluggo, I am going to give you rep on this one for trying to kickstart another HoM/CW vs IDC/IC argument on long-lasting effects.

I read from another thread that Thomas Jane made a cameo appearance in the Spidey 2 movie. Not sure whether he appeared as the Punisher there. Can someone verify this? I still have to go and watch the movie again.

Hmm...wonder what thread that could've been...

I just responded to what someone else said.