Now granted when I read the start of this whole thing it was like 8 months ago but wasn't Cap basically cornered by SHIELD and told "you WILL go along w/ this". I seem to recall him fleeing from gunfire at some point. I'd say peaceful means were out the window at that point. I'd also be hesitant to say it was 100% anyone's fault. It takes two parties to fight.

Admiting your wrong doesn't adsolve your of your crimes.

he didn't have to attack them.

The country was ina state of war, suspending duo-proccess is common practice in war time. Someone like Daredevil was also a POW, no due process needed.

You really think that with all the bones that Iron Man was trying to throw to Cap... that IF Cap realized he was wrong and joined the pro-reg side of thinking, IM wouldn't get him on the amnesty ticket with the others and put him in charge of one of the 50 teams?

I think you're over exagerating. The country was at war? It was like 30 people on both sides at most. It's like 2 football teams.

As has already been pointed out, Cap's opportunity to challenge Registration ended with his disapproval and SHIELD's attempt to illegally arrest him. Their whole reasoning was that Cap should not be allowed free to challenge Registration.

While I agree that the fighting wasn't 100% caused by Tony Stark it was definitely his fault for starting the war. What Registration does is place a totalitarian set of rules upon a very specific demographic. Either you are conscripted or jailed. In a democractic society the heroes should have been given the opportunity to protest the act before it was passed. Tony Stark however knew about the act long before it was made public. Rather than discuss the ramifications with others who may have disagreed he took the initiative with the Illuminati on how they could support the act. His plans to achieve these goals were also highly suspect including enslaving villains, breaking cloning laws, and use of deceptive tactics to quell opposition to registration peaceful or otherwise. By the time anyone else was even in a position to challenge Registration Tony had fortified it's ratification. Put in the position where liberties were being subverted, being who he is Cap had no choice but to fight. That is where Iron Man drew first blood.

I'm a huge fan of Millar's work, which is what makes CW so hard to swallow. It seems to me that Millar was so busy in writing the next Marvel event that he ended up in a corner by the time the finale came along. He then tacked on an ending which could be expanded upon in future books. Don't get me wrong, I think having Cap surrender was a very inventive way to finish. But it seems inconcievable that the whole event would have so much build up only to end with one man surrendering on a whim and amnesties for his troops being handed out like candy. Particularly since these troops are still in harms way and could be arrested again at any time. At no point during the event did Cap express the least amount of doubt about his decision to fight the act. Even Iron Man showed some second thoughts and he ended up beating down the same close friend to a pulp just to arrest him. Lazy writing, but that is my opinion.

**My question is: Would Nitro not have exploded had the heroes fighting him been trained, registered government stooges such as Texas Twister and Shooting Star? What's the story here? **

<-- maybe we can never know but the fact that they were doing a reality tv show and speedball made the dumb statement he did make it appear that it was all for ratings

**(2) To prevent property damage and loss of life like that ever happening again, heroes need to be trained. Presumably the Avengers characters are already as well-trained as a hero can be. When the Avengers fought each other in the final issue, Captain France gave up when he saw that their battle was causing property damage. **

<--- no capt america gave up because he realised that his violant opposition to the law was #1 against everything he ever stood for, #2 was accomplishing nothing but destruction .. a great deal of destruction they trashed midtown that makes the 2 towers damage look minor & #3 was making proving at least to the 616 normals that they were right to pass the law

So, doesn't that just go to show that even well-trained heroes will cause property damage during their battles? So, therefore the pro-registration side is full of sh...aving cream? <--- less the training then that masks need to be legal law enforcment agents not anonomus thugs with the power of demigods



I mean, okay, I get that "superpowers = dangerous". What I don't get is "registered superheroes = not dangerous". Or is it just that they're liable for their actions if they're registered? (So if the New Warriors had been registered and then died while fighting Nitro who exploded and killed a bunch of people, the New Warriors' corpses could be arrested and sent to jail?)

<-- #1 maybe they would have been more careful, a goverment operation would have going by swat examples evacuated the school 1st if the screw up happened the goverment would of course be required to take responsabily just like any law enforcment officer

you do not seem to get it , its one thing to oppose a law, its another to fight cops and use violance to overturn the law.

It pains me to say this, but Cap handled the whole thing in the wrong way. He should have peacably surrendered to SHIELD and been a conscientous objector to registration. The image of Cap behind bars would have pointed out the problems with registratration before a civil war could have started. At that point, no one would have backed a law that would put Cap behind bars. Cap hurt his cause by going underground and forming his own army of unregistered heroes. You can't stop a bad law from passing by punching people in the face. What would have happened if Cap's side was victorious at the end of the war? Take over the government? Force the repeal of the registration act?

Captain America was in the right, but handled it all the wrong way. Iron Man was wrong, but handled everything by the book.

Everyone who chose to go along with Registration was granted Amnesty. Cap would have been too, since it was a blanket amnesty.

The country was not in a state of war.

Daredevil was not a POW. Daredevil wasn't even in Civil War.

Here is one of my biggest problems with the Civil War. The law is a very poorly written one. And for anyone who says "we have lots of poorly written laws", well you are absolutely right. However, Tony Stark is supposed to be among the smartest men in the Marvel U. How in the heck could he possibly support the law and not realise how badly it would drive a wedge into the hero community?
Remember this is a law that says in essence, we dont care how you got your powers you get to choose one of three things.
1) Register and become a government agent. Possibly placed in dangerous situations.
2) Break the law and be thrown in jail
3) Leave the country
Gee Tony think everyone is going to happily march along? When you cant even convince members of your elite Illuminati that its a good idea? Heck Luke Cage was guilty of sitting in his apartment and having superpowers when they tried to arrest him.

So either Tony turned into a complete moron overnight or he was willing to risk screwing over his friends, allies and breaking the law (he did many times during CW) just to ensure that he is one of the guys calling the shots.

Basically Iron Man will be my villain of the year vote for any polls because he isnt a moron so therefor he must be pushing the law so that he can come out on top.

If thats the case then the vast majority of societies today are criminals and are not fit to make law. How many societies out there today assured themselves of their positions by opposing the law of previous regimes and using violent means to achieve their ends?

A team of trained SHIELD agents and Wolverine tried to apprehend Nitro,
and he did indeed blow up, killing everyone except for Wolverine, who
proceeded to pull out some ridiculously over the top regenerating.
They were fortunate in that Nitro had chosen to hide in some unpopulated
woods otherwise they would have been witnessing another Stamford.

On a related theme...is there such a thing as Citizen's arrest in America?

The reason SHIELD wanted Cap arrested was because he opposed Registration. If Cap were allowed to freely speak out against the act it might never have been passed. By taking him out of the picture they could insure that no one rallied an opposition. No one would have even known Cap was imprisoned. Given those circumstances Cap had no choice but to go underground or role over and accept a totalitarian law.

Incidently, Cap didn't actually start a fight with anyone by going underground. All Cap did was business as usual while evading capture. The first blows weren't struck until Iron Man tricked them out into the open and used his abomination Clor to 'hammer' the other side into submission. Looking around at the damage during the final fight, Cap knew that neither he nor Tony would stop the fighting until one of them got his way. Rather than continue to escalate the battle Iron Man started, Cap surrendered. Again, a very interesting way of ending the conflict but it hardly seems like this was the inevitable conclusion.

Hell yeah. Caps got some smart friends with good hearts that would be able to run things better than the jerks that run America in marvel comics.

its 100x more illegal.
where they are incarcerated is not relevent
the due process issue is very gray , its definetly something that can be fought in court.. point of fact it happens all of the time in real life and is always being fought out in courts

what cap did was terrorism "using the fear of super powered resistance and violance if law was not repeled"
attacking goverment facilities is a serious felony.
the use of lethal force against law enforcemnt officers is also a serious felony.
depending on the laws of 616 if clor was sentiant then the resistance is also guilty of killing a law enforcment officer in the line of duty ..that gets you a death sentance in many states etc.
from a legal perspective what caps team did is not much diffrent then what timothy mcveigh did.