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RE: Rookie Atom.
We can discuss this all we want, and give all the justifications you like,
but the info I have says L/C. And until WK offically says something its all speculation anyway.
RE: Rookie Atom.
We can discuss this all we want, and give all the justifications you like,
but the info I have says L/C. And until WK offically says something its all speculation anyway.
No offense, but wouldn't it be best, without an officlal ruling to the contrary, to go with what is actually printed on the dial? Going with what is printed on the dial is NOT speculation...it's going with what's printed. Calling the power something else based on unofficlal info an conjectures about black numbering on a brown background is definitely speculation, however.
I'm assuming the HSS represents him traveling through phone lines, which he does all the time in the comics. It makes more sense than Leap/Climb from a comic standpoint (IMO).
Other than the "errata speculation", I have loved the reviews so far. There are a couple I'd have put higher (V Question from the Commons review for one), and a couple I might put lower (Supergirl V in this format is risky so I'd drop her a smiley), but overall good work as always.
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No offense, but wouldn't it be best, without an officlal ruling to the contrary, to go with what is actually printed on the dial? Going with what is printed on the dial is NOT speculation...it's going with what's printed. Calling the power something else based on unofficlal info an conjectures about black numbering on a brown background is definitely speculation, however.
I'll second that. As malakim2099 pointed out, my King Hyperion has HSS and IMP on his opening click. The HSS has a white number, the IMP has a black number. So it's not as cut and dry as others would have you believe.
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No offense, but wouldn't it be best, without an officlal ruling to the contrary, to go with what is actually printed on the dial?
Six of one, half dozen of the other.
Where you think you see HSS due to the color, I think I see L/C due to the number.
What is 'obvious' to some, is not the same to all.
Plus, at the pre-release I went to, nbperp made a spot judgement call that it was L/C. (I am *not* claiming that is his official ruling.) So its not as cut and dry as you may think.
And my final thought is that if there can be a fig with HSS (even for 1 click) for 24 points, there's something seriously wrong with the design and/or point formula. (Which I do not think is the case.)
I'll second that. As malakim2099 pointed out, my King Hyperion has HSS and IMP on his opening click. The HSS has a white number, the IMP has a black number. So it's not as cut and dry as others would have you believe.
Yes, King Hyperion is a case of a misprinting, potentially with the same printing difference. But it is a misprinting. He should have a white number. In his case the color printing was correct. In other misprinting cases the color is not correct. Another misprinted figure showing the same color pattern does not decide anything for this figure. We need official errata to be sure of what the mistake in this case was.
I would err on the side of L/C myself, if only for the point cost. 6 clicks of life with an opening HSS click and other powers scattered on the dial should not be in the 24 point range. According to the Units search the cheapest HSS figures are 36 points. R Whizzer is a good example. 5 clicks of life, opening HSS for a click, other scattered powers and a TA. Now, R Atom doesn't have the TA to eat up points, but he does have an entire extra click of life and only costs 2/3 as many points. On the other hand, L/C appears on many figures in that point range and below.
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Yes, King Hyperion is a case of a misprinting, potentially with the same printing difference. But it is a misprinting. He should have a white number. In his case the color printing was correct. In other misprinting cases the color is not correct. Another misprinted figure showing the same color pattern does not decide anything for this figure. We need official errata to be sure of what the mistake in this case was.
This I agree with. There's a question about the power and whether it is correct. And we need an errata to tell us which way we're supposed to play it.
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I would err on the side of L/C myself, if only for the point cost.
This makes absolutely NO sense to me. It's a bad precedent to set for the community to just decide to change a dial from what is printed to what we "think it should be". A dial should be played as printed (and background color is what we're supposed to go with, not number color), until WK releases an errata changing the way we're to play it.
You may be right and it may be intended to be L/C, but I'm playing it as 6-move HSS until it's errata'ed. I've seen too many games ruined by players second-guessing the folks that make the rules to think it's a good idea to 'assume' changes into the game. The default position should always be to play what is printed.
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Awesome guide as always. I was very impressed/surprised by V Triplicate Girl at the pre-release. I initially threw her on my team simply for the Wildcard and Perplex but she actually proved to be a very versatile piece as a secondary attacker, taxi, shield, tie up, etc.
I can't wait to team Triplicate Girl up with my army of Multiple Men. What an army it will be.
I would err on the side of L/C myself, if only for the point cost. 6 clicks of life with an opening HSS click and other powers scattered on the dial should not be in the 24 point range. According to the Units search the cheapest HSS figures are 36 points. R Whizzer is a good example. 5 clicks of life, opening HSS for a click, other scattered powers and a TA. Now, R Atom doesn't have the TA to eat up points, but he does have an entire extra click of life and only costs 2/3 as many points. On the other hand, L/C appears on many figures in that point range and below.
I doubt that. 6 speed HSS isn't really that powerful, and as such shouldn't cost a whole lot...
This makes absolutely NO sense to me. It's a bad precedent to set for the community to just decide to change a dial from what is printed to what we "think it should be". A dial should be played as printed (and background color is what we're supposed to go with, not number color), until WK releases an errata changing the way we're to play it.
Speaking as a former Judge for multiple years, this is not the first time printing errors have come up without timely errata. It is up to the Judge to make the ruling at the individual venue when no official answer is available. Playing "as printed" does not always work, particularly for figures where the number should be white and the color box is absent, thus leaving a blank white field. How do you play these "as printed"? It requires a judgement from the Judge. I feel that all misprints require an announced judgement before the tournament starts. Within that I also feel that it is part of the Judge's job to make said decisions fair and to try to keep them in line with past conventions and precedents. Sometimes this can be difficult in light of the official rulings (like Submerged) but for the most part you can follow with "what makes sense". And as long as the Judge is consistent everything is fine.
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You may be right and it may be intended to be L/C, but I'm playing it as 6-move HSS until it's errata'ed.
Actually, you'll play whatever your Judge rules it to be. You might recommend that it be "played as printed", but ultimately it is up to the venue's Judge. If we are talking about casual games you are of course free to play however you like.
I still maintain that there is no "as printed" value, by the PAC, of brown with black numbering. The PAC clearly shows a white "x" in the box for the brown colored powers. Splitting hairs? You may think so. But in my opinion you are already making assumptions and judgements with your "play as printed" approach in this case. Anytime that you might find yourself starting to answer with "oh come on, you know what they mean" about a printing error means assumptions are being made.
And my final thought is that if there can be a fig with HSS (even for 1 click) for 24 points, there's something seriously wrong with the design and/or point formula. (Which I do not think is the case.)
I don't agree with this statement. I definitely can see a figure having hypersonic speed for one click for this price, especially since his speed and damage is so low.
Not trying to start an uproar here, as I do think that he's probably supposed to have L/C over HS. However, I don't like using the argument that it's supposed to be L/C because a figure would not be designed this cheap otherwise. I think it is a very likely possibility when you can only move six squares.
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I really thin kAtom has HSS! I read about the new one, and it said he rides around on a little vehice (not enough to justify transporter M and A maybe, but enough to get low speed HSS) and can go at sub-atomic speeds or something.
I don't agree with this statement. I definitely can see a figure having hypersonic speed for one click for this price, especially since his speed and damage is so low.
Again I'd point to R Whizzer, who only has an 8 movement on his single, opening HSS click. Without knowing the formula it is all conjecture, but it is my bet that Atom can't get an extra click of life for 2/3 the cost by dropping the TA and 2 points of movement (and yes, their other powers and combat values aren't exactly the same, but it is hard to say which would be more expensive point-wise). Of course, I could be wrong. It happens all the time (but never ceases to amaze me every time nonetheless ).
The safest approach would be to ask your Judge before the opening starts at the Marquee. Get a ruling before anyone has a chance to pull him so that no one feels like they got "nerfed" by the ruling (i.e. the Judge doesn't know Billy has one and thus can't decide to specifically not let Billy have HSS, etc.).