Mich is correct about the new way Batman Enemy works (and all other stat-sharing TA. Of course, the roll was high enough that it didn't matter.

Also for another FYI moot point for the turn, Psimon wouldn't be able to outwit a second time in the turn even if the Outsmart had failed. If you use your on-the-dial Outwit in a turn, Superman Enemy has no effect.

But none of that helps me a lick. Turn 9 coming up. Sheesh, I don't think I've ever gone eight rounds without using someone's e-mail...

Metal Men Turn 9

"Got to fix ... " Dr. Magnus muttered, crawling toward the dark gray robot's wreckage. "Got to fix ... Iron..."

"No, Doc!" Platinum cried. "It's our turn to take care of you! We've got to get you out of here!"


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1) Lead/Tin RS to C16, using LO vs. Psimon, 9 vs. 17
SC for Psimon: 2
Your Random Roll is: 4,1 = 5 ,Miss.

2) Tina stops Dr. Magnus at B16.

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The Fearsome Five

1) R Parademon Scout (3/3) 13pts L15@
2) R Intergang Medic (3/3) 20pts J5
3) R Harley Quinn (ht) (4/4) 27pts K13@
1AST
4) R Jinx (5/5) 44pts L13
5) V Dr Light (6/7) 84pts K14@@
4SA, 2KO
6) E Psimon* (6/6) 94pts K15 (outwits Will/Tina special power)
3AST
* w/ Camouflage 8pts
total: 290 pts

vs.

The Metal Men

E Will Magnus & Platinum* 75 pts (2/6) B16@
* w/ Sidestep 10 pts
E Lead & Tin* 100 pts (8/8) C16@
* w/ Outsmart 10 pts
E Iron* 70 pts (0/6) KOKOKO
* w/ Camouflage 8 pts
V Gotham City Detective 27 pts (0/5) KOKOKO
300 pts

Lead/Tin [1 DFD]


HO: D6, L6, B12
LO: A8, B16

BFC: Wasteland

All elevated terrain is grounded hindering terrain. All walls are destroyed. All squares adjacent to walls are hindering terrain.

Map: Armor Wars

http://www.ianparmenter.com/hcutils/...8&u4=x-334y-83

Can you tell me where is it on the rules? I too had the impression wildcards couldn't share values, but yesterday I went through the rules before making my move and couldn't find it. The only one I found was regarding TA Defenders, in which it says clearly that wildcards can get a replacement value but not give one. Is not that I don't trust you guys, but if the same thing happens to me on real life tournaments I want to know where it is so I can show it.

Actually, I think I can use it twice with Psimon. You see, Superman Enemies say that characters that possess outwit can't use the ability. However, Psimon doesn't possess outwit. His special power just says he can use it.

Directly from the players guide:

"Before the attack roll of any attack made by a
character using the Batman Enemy team ability, the
character can replace its attack value with the
unmodified attack value (including a replacement
attack value) of any adjacent friendly character
possessing the Batman Enemy team ability."

Dr. Light and Psimon does not *possess* the Batman Enemy TA, they are merely using it, which is fine for the first part, but not the second. They can borrow all the values they like from real Bat Enemies but they can't lend them any of their own.

Now as for Psimon and the dual outwit "possess" vs. "use" strikes again!

Psimon can indeed use Outwit twice thanks to the Superman Enemy TA and his special power (I believe I was the one who introduced the league to this dastardly trick when I subbed in with the Fearsome Five for a couple of turns). It is correct that the Superman Enemy TA does not work with character who actually have outwit on their dial because the specific text of Superman Enemy prevents this. However, Psimon does not *possess* Outwit, he merely uses it which is not the same thing. Superman Enemy also allows you to use Outwit (which is why it cannot be outwitted) and nothing in the rules prevents you from using multiple outwits as long as they are all from different sources.

Not many characters can actually pull this off (Psimon, the Leader and F4 Doom springs to mind) but it's quite potent, and completely legal, when they do!

You're right about Batman Enemies, Melk. Thanks for the help.
Sorry about the rolling order. I forgot that Lead and Tin special power gave them shape change. They almost got away with it....

I didn't use it, but out of curiosity, could I use Jinx's PC to re-roll my outsmart rolls? I think it's legal...

F5 Turn 9

1) Jinx phases to L17

2) Parademon pushes to fly to L18, taking Dr Light to K18

free) Harley perplexes Psimon's attack to 12

free) Psimon tries to cancel Lead and Tin special power (shape change)
Lead and Tin: 7 Psimon: 5 . Power is not cancelled

free) Jinx and Light copy Superman Enemies. Dr Light tries to cancel Lead and Tin special power.
Lead and Tin:10 Dr Light:9. Power is not cancelled

3) Psimon will shoot at Lead and Tin. Lead and Tin roll for shape change: 2. Psimon attacks 12 vs 18+1. Rolls 6,5, giving 2 dmg to Lead and Tin

1SA to Psimon

* Jinx will PC any successfull attack on her or her team
* Psimon will always use Shape Change

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The Fearsome Five

1) R Parademon Scout (2/3) 13pts L18@@
2) R Intergang Medic (3/3) 20pts J5
3) R Harley Quinn (ht) (4/4) 27pts K13
1AST
4) R Jinx (5/5) 44pts L17@
5) V Dr Light (6/7) 84pts K18
4SA, 2KO
6) E Psimon* (6/6) 94pts K15@
1SA, 3AST
* w/ Camouflage 8pts
total: 290 pts

vs.

The Metal Men

E Will Magnus & Platinum* 75 pts (2/6) B16@
* w/ Sidestep 10 pts
E Lead & Tin* 100 pts (6/8) C16@
* w/ Outsmart 10 pts
E Iron* 70 pts (0/6) KOKOKO
* w/ Camouflage 8 pts
V Gotham City Detective 27 pts (0/5) KOKOKO
300 pts

Lead/Tin [1 DFD]


HO: D6, L6, B12
LO: A8, B16

BFC: Wasteland

All elevated terrain is grounded hindering terrain. All walls are destroyed. All squares adjacent to walls are hindering terrain.

Map: Armor Wars

http://www.ianparmenter.com/hcutils/...56&u4=x-302y10

Outsmart specifies the character's controllers are the ones who are making the roll, as opposed to the figures. I would think that would make it so PC couldn't be used. At least, that was the conclusion players came to in one of the threads I saw.

Metal Men Turn 10

1) Pushing, Lead/Tin stumble to A14

2) Pushing, Will/Tina crawl to A13

I'll clear for turn 11 unless I wind up with an Outwit option for Lead/Tin.


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The Fearsome Five

1) R Parademon Scout (2/3) 13pts L18@@
2) R Intergang Medic (3/3) 20pts J5
3) R Harley Quinn (ht) (4/4) 27pts K13
1AST
4) R Jinx (5/5) 44pts L17@
5) V Dr Light (6/7) 84pts K18
4SA, 2KO
6) E Psimon* (6/6) 94pts K15@
1SA, 3AST
* w/ Camouflage 8pts
total: 290 pts

vs.

The Metal Men

E Will Magnus & Platinum* 75 pts (1/6) A13@@ {18 DFD}
* w/ Sidestep 10 pts
E Lead & Tin* 100 pts (5/8) A14@@
* w/ Outsmart 10 pts
E Iron* 70 pts (0/6) KOKOKO
* w/ Camouflage 8 pts
V Gotham City Detective 27 pts (0/5) KOKOKO
300 pts

Lead/Tin [1 DFD]


HO: D6, L6, B12
LO: A8, B16

BFC: Wasteland

All elevated terrain is grounded hindering terrain. All walls are destroyed. All squares adjacent to walls are hindering terrain.

Map: Armor Wars

http://www.ianparmenter.com/hcutils/...56&u4=x-302y10

F5 Turn 10

1) Intergang Medic moves to J9

2) Harley Quinn moves to G12

3) Dr Light moves to H14


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The Fearsome Five

1) R Parademon Scout (2/3) 13pts L18
2) R Intergang Medic (3/3) 20pts J9@
3) R Harley Quinn (ht) (4/4) 27pts G12@
1AST
4) R Jinx (5/5) 44pts L17
5) V Dr Light (6/7) 84pts H14@
4SA, 2KO
6) E Psimon* (6/6) 94pts K15
1SA, 3AST
* w/ Camouflage 8pts
total: 290 pts

vs.

The Metal Men

E Will Magnus & Platinum* 75 pts (1/6) A13@@ {18 DFD}
* w/ Sidestep 10 pts
E Lead & Tin* 100 pts (5/8) A14@@
* w/ Outsmart 10 pts
E Iron* 70 pts (0/6) KOKOKO
* w/ Camouflage 8 pts
V Gotham City Detective 27 pts (0/5) KOKOKO
300 pts

Lead/Tin [1 DFD]


HO: D6, L6, B12
LO: A8, B16

BFC: Wasteland

All elevated terrain is grounded hindering terrain. All walls are destroyed. All squares adjacent to walls are hindering terrain.

Map: Armor Wars

http://www.ianparmenter.com/hcutils/...7&u5=x-471y-55

Metal Men Turn 11

Clearing.


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The Fearsome Five

1) R Parademon Scout (2/3) 13pts L18
2) R Intergang Medic (3/3) 20pts J9@
3) R Harley Quinn (ht) (4/4) 27pts G12@
1AST
4) R Jinx (5/5) 44pts L17
5) V Dr Light (6/7) 84pts H14@
4SA, 2KO
6) E Psimon* (6/6) 94pts K15
1SA, 3AST
* w/ Camouflage 8pts
total: 290 pts

vs.

The Metal Men

E Will Magnus & Platinum* 75 pts (1/6) A13{18 DFD}
* w/ Sidestep 10 pts
E Lead & Tin* 100 pts (5/8) A14
* w/ Outsmart 10 pts
E Iron* 70 pts (0/6) KOKOKO
* w/ Camouflage 8 pts
V Gotham City Detective 27 pts (0/5) KOKOKO
300 pts

Lead/Tin [1 DFD]


HO: D6, L6, B12
LO: A8, B16

BFC: Wasteland

All elevated terrain is grounded hindering terrain. All walls are destroyed. All squares adjacent to walls are hindering terrain.

Map: Armor Wars

http://www.ianparmenter.com/hcutils/...7&u5=x-471y-55

Metal Men Turn 11

Clearing

F5 Turn 11

1) Psimon moves to I16

2) Parademon Scout flies to I17, taking Jinx to H16

free) Harley perplexes her defense +1 to 16

Others clear

* Jinx will PC any successfull attack on her or her team
* Psimon will always use Shape Change

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The Fearsome Five

1) R Parademon Scout (2/3) 13pts I17@
2) R Intergang Medic (3/3) 20pts J9
3) R Harley Quinn (ht) (4/4) 27pts G12 {16 defense}
1AST
4) R Jinx (5/5) 44pts H16 (hind)
5) V Dr Light (6/7) 84pts H14
4SA, 2KO
6) E Psimon* (6/6) 94pts I16@ (hind)
1SA, 3AST
* w/ Camouflage 8pts
total: 290 pts

vs.

The Metal Men

E Will Magnus & Platinum* 75 pts (1/6) A13 {18 DFD}
* w/ Sidestep 10 pts
E Lead & Tin* 100 pts (5/8) A14
* w/ Outsmart 10 pts
E Iron* 70 pts (0/6) KOKOKO
* w/ Camouflage 8 pts
V Gotham City Detective 27 pts (0/5) KOKOKO
300 pts

Lead/Tin [1 DFD]

HO: D6, L6, B12
LO: A8, B16

BFC: Wasteland

All elevated terrain is grounded hindering terrain. All walls are destroyed. All squares adjacent to walls are hindering terrain.

Map: Armor Wars

http://www.ianparmenter.com/hcutils/...7&u5=x-427y-43

Metal Men Turn 12

Clearing some more...



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The Fearsome Five

1) R Parademon Scout (2/3) 13pts I17@
2) R Intergang Medic (3/3) 20pts J9
3) R Harley Quinn (ht) (4/4) 27pts G12 {16 defense}
1AST
4) R Jinx (5/5) 44pts H16 (hind)
5) V Dr Light (6/7) 84pts H14
4SA, 2KO
6) E Psimon* (6/6) 94pts I16@ (hind)
1SA, 3AST
* w/ Camouflage 8pts
total: 290 pts

vs.

The Metal Men

E Will Magnus & Platinum* 75 pts (1/6) A13 {18 DFD}
* w/ Sidestep 10 pts
E Lead & Tin* 100 pts (5/8) A14
* w/ Outsmart 10 pts
E Iron* 70 pts (0/6) KOKOKO
* w/ Camouflage 8 pts
V Gotham City Detective 27 pts (0/5) KOKOKO
300 pts

Lead/Tin [1 DFD]

HO: D6, L6, B12
LO: A8, B16

BFC: Wasteland

All elevated terrain is grounded hindering terrain. All walls are destroyed. All squares adjacent to walls are hindering terrain.

Map: Armor Wars
http://www.ianparmenter.com/hcutils/...7&u5=x-427y-43

F5 Turn 12

free) Harley perplexes +1 Dr Light's attack to 10

1) Psimon pushes to TK Dr Light to B9

2) Dr Light uses Pulse Wave (10) against Will/Tina(18) and Lead/Tin(17). First roll is a 5, missing both. Jinx uses PC. Rolls a 7, hitting Lead/Tin with just 1 dmg

1SA to Dr Light, 1AST to Psimon, Jinx and Harley each

3) Jinx phases to C9

free) Light and Jinx copy Superman Enemies, and Light outwits Will/Tina duo attack ability.

* Jinx will PC any successfull attack on her or her team
* Psimon will always use Shape Change

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The Fearsome Five

1) R Parademon Scout (2/3) 13pts I17
2) R Intergang Medic (3/3) 20pts J9
3) R Harley Quinn (ht) (4/4) 27pts G12
2AST
4) R Jinx (5/5) 44pts C9@
1AST
5) V Dr Light (6/7) 84pts B9@ (hind) (outwits Will/Tina Dual Attack)
5SA, 2KO
6) E Psimon* (5/6) 94pts I16@@ (hind)
1SA, 4AST
* w/ Camouflage 8pts
total: 290 pts

vs.

The Metal Men

E Will Magnus & Platinum* 75 pts (1/6) A13 {18 DFD} (dual attack OWed)
* w/ Sidestep 10 pts
E Lead & Tin* 100 pts (4/8) A14
* w/ Outsmart 10 pts
E Iron* 70 pts (0/6) KOKOKO
* w/ Camouflage 8 pts
V Gotham City Detective 27 pts (0/5) KOKOKO
300 pts

Lead/Tin [1 DFD]

HO: D6, L6, B12
LO: A8, B16

BFC: Wasteland

All elevated terrain is grounded hindering terrain. All walls are destroyed. All squares adjacent to walls are hindering terrain.

Map: Armor Wars

http://www.ianparmenter.com/hcutils/...7&u5=x-427y-43

Even though it's Pulse Wave, I would still get the hindering bonus, putting Lead/Tin at 18 defense and a miss, correct?

Pulse Wave does not ignore hindering terrain, so Lead&Tin would get the bonus, making the attack a miss, yes.

(Edited the recap below to reflect the miss, including the stats that would have been earned from a successful hit.)


MM Turn 13

1) Will/Tina to E10

2) Lead/Tin to D10


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The Fearsome Five

1) R Parademon Scout (2/3) 13pts I17
2) R Intergang Medic (3/3) 20pts J9
3) R Harley Quinn (ht) (4/4) 27pts G12
1AST
4) R Jinx (5/5) 44pts C9@
5) V Dr Light (6/7) 84pts B9@ (hind) (outwits Will/Tina Dual Attack)
4SA, 2KO
6) E Psimon* (5/6) 94pts I16@@ (hind)
1SA, 3AST
* w/ Camouflage 8pts
total: 290 pts

vs.

The Metal Men

E Will Magnus & Platinum* 75 pts (1/6) E10 {18 DFD} (duo attack OWed)@
* w/ Sidestep 10 pts
E Lead & Tin* 100 pts (5/8) D10 @
* w/ Outsmart 10 pts
E Iron* 70 pts (0/6) KOKOKO
* w/ Camouflage 8 pts
V Gotham City Detective 27 pts (0/5) KOKOKO
300 pts

Lead/Tin [1 DFD]

HO: D6, L6, B12
LO: A8, B16

BFC: Wasteland

All elevated terrain is grounded hindering terrain. All walls are destroyed. All squares adjacent to walls are hindering terrain.

Map: Armor Wars

http://www.ianparmenter.com/hcutils/...7&u5=x-427y-43

Yes, of course you're right about the hindering. Thanks for correcting it.

I tried so hard to avoid the object being in the line of fire, because of hindering, that I completely missed the hindering terrain on B10. What a shame, when I could have easily placed him in column A to avoid all the hindering.