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you really have a knack for stirring the pot. thanks for giving everyone something to debate. i thought the idea for a boxed set was to introduce clix to a new player and give them a pretty well rounded team to learn with. a watchmen and tmnt set would rock and sell pretty well cause they are so recognizable. i dont think folks would get on board with tv shows from the 80s or poor movies that have nearly been forgotten. we have too many spider-man costumes to choose from already and we need plenty of remakes on the x-men first before we get to the babies.
I really liked Heroes the TV series and the graphics. I thought it was a interesting take on the superhero genre. I would have liked the action pack. I then found myself reading what others had said about the article rather than this article itself. That's right the 'hook' put me off so I didn't actually read the list! Certainly this article went beyond the 'add a pinch of controversy to spice it up' mold.
I thought all 3 seasons of Heroes have been excellent.
Heroes is the only TV or Movie I have ever seen that actually does super powers right and intelligently.
The program, right through the current season is always surprising with how powers are used, whether it is Hiro rapidly teleporting adversaries far away, or power negation or just about anything. Incredibles did that equally well, but this is the first live action that really managed to do it and it continues to do so right up to the current season.
I would like to see a Heroes set made. My game group would certainly use it.
I would also like to see Green Lantern classic villains.
Justice League classica villains.
Iron Man classic villains.
Watchmen and Savage Dragon would also be fun but only if we got
most of the main characters, not just a sampling.
Well, I can't understand the outright venom aimed at thele, but this isn't a two thumbs up list for me either.
Some uninspiredly predictable entries, even if they have merit (West Coast Avengers, Batman Beyond, Elseworlds, Blackest Night). Some that have no business in HeroClix (Battle of the Planets, X-babies, Marvel Apes). Some that have already been done well enough or deserve only the spot treatment they get (Marvel Zombies, Spider-man). And some that are old fanboy-gasms that so don't fit in power level or theme that they shouldn't even be *mentioned* (Endless).
Granted it was a poll result (with obvious questions raised to the number of poll responders). But few entries stepped out of the comfort zone box, touching those areas that fit well into Clix and yet were glaringly abscent from (admittedly what I'd consider) a well rounded line-up. Image and TMNT fit this bill. It was what remained glaringly abscent in this MIA box - such as Grendel or the Tick - that sunk the list IMO.
I'll try to take this list as serious, as difficult as that is, and comment on it as such.
I'll start with the ones that are just either obvious fan-boy decisions or poorly thought out ones:
10. Many faces of Spider-man - by your own admissions (I could copy and paste this on nearly all the entries in this section) it was a bad series. Also, we get a Spider-man pretty much every set. So, I'm thinking an entire set of Spider-mans would not go over well with most people.
09. Movie Mayhem - Shadow, awful; Phantom, gawd-awful; Rocketeer, meh was ok. For those who haven't seen them, really you have better things to do with your time: dinner with the family, volunteer work, cleaning out those gutters, etc. Apart from the licensing nightmare most of these folks would prefer a tie-in to the release of the movie ala Catwoman which was one figure. At least with Ironman 2 we could possibly get 3 or more figures, but they had better have already started on it.
08. TV Mayhem - So, Heroes bad, Automan good. Got it. Apart from your suspect critical eye; this has the same problem as the movies set. You need a current (and popular) show to really make it viable, Heroes used to fit that bill. Ideally, we could get the Venture Bros (sadly probably not enough mass appeal).
06. X-Babies and 05. Marvel Apes - "I'm always surprised at the number of people who didn't like the X-babies, but I thought it was incredibly fun!" and "This was a really, really, really, really terrible idea on Marvel's part". I don't really need to add to these statements. They are so obvious fanboy desires without the broad appeal necessary to make them happen. Not much different than BroMags desire to have Groo in heroclix.
03. Amalgam - This seems like a licensing nightmare that I doubt NECA has any desire to step into.
Now for the stuff that has more than a snowballs chance in Hades of actually happening:
07. Elseworlds / Armageddon (2001) and 04. Dark Knight Returns - Both would be great ideas (as would Watchmen despite the writer's view), but I doubt they'll happen as they're just not current enough. We're likely to get what we've been getting for stuff like this which is a few pieces in a main set, but there's hope.
02. Army Builders - I think the problem with this is that generics can really help sell their main sets, and box sets are either "collector's sets" which should mean unique pieces or "starter sets" and both of these are things you would want one of. They tried to have it both ways with the Fantastic Four starter and it infuriated many players. It's possible though.
01. Blackest Night - It's current and the most likely to happen compared to anything else on this list. However, like the Sinestro Corps they'll probably be brought into a main set or sets. Of course, there are other story-lines that they could do this to that are as current and might have broader appeal.
Box Sets or Collector's sets are a chance for a company to:
1. test the waters with a new brand (like the Hellboy crossover set, and the Aliens vs Predator set)
2. further some concepts (new objects with the Legion set, special cards with Green Lantern and Hellboy...)
3. expand on an idea that may not take a full release to develope (Green Lantern Corps set)
ideally, they should do 2 out of the three to increase the chance of success (that and make sure quality control standards are in place, as mistakes with 2 or 3 pieces out of a 7 piece ste really decrease the perceived value).
So, with that said, some of my wants would be:
Salem Seven: I have always been a fan of this FF villain team and it is the perfect size for a set. They could even do an Agatha Harkness piece or pog for the set and it would marry well with a crossover to Horrorclix.
Legion of Substitute Heroes: With so many Legionaires out there, they could do an entire future-themed set, but I would settle for some fun with the Legion of Substitue Heroes. They could even make the box look like the old HQ. Camp sells for collectors.
Collectors Sets set around movie releases: ever time I have a garage sale and sell some comics, the ones that move first are the ones that just had a movie come out. It always shocked me that Wizkids passed out the free comic book day clix at stores (where people would already be buying the game) and not at special movie premieres to generate real buzz. Since Iron Man III is in thw works, why not make a collectors set of Iron Man villains we need to see (or ones that need to be remade).
Revamp old teams: The X-men movie gave us some new versions of Brotherhood pieces... why not make them into clix to vamp up some old TAs. We could use some Morlocks, or why not flesh out those scarce key words we have the All Winners Squad...
Every relationship is fundamentally a power struggle, and the individual in power is whoever likes the other person less.
-Chuck Klosterman, "Sex, Drugs, and Cocoa Puffs"
I don't really agree with any of these until you get to the top three.
We'd all love an Amalgam set; and I've tried to help keep the flame alive and the hope fresh there...until now. With Disney owning Marvel now, the chances of a future collaboration between Marvel and Warner Brothers owned DC is less than zero percent.
Beyond that; I don't feel these choices reflect the wants of MOST players. maybe some, but not MOST. I'm going to jump over to the 22 through 11 and read those to see how wrong I think those are.