You could say they could only drop any standard object being carried.

And why am I arguing W.I.T.'s point? Mine's being able to use a HO being carried to destroy another object or Wall.

Again, small points to be sure in the overall picture. But so were the TK and Giant rules before they were changed. Why not try them? If they don't work, they can always be dumped or changed.

True, it is. Just more options is always nice.

I know Venom can also help the bricks.

And I admit Super Strength character are useful. Of course, a cheap Stealthed Outwitter and their expensive Defensive Power is gone. So you need to add 25 pts to add Fortitude to compensate for it. Or if your Brick could use his object to expose the Outwitter to his teammates so that his Defensive power remains viable (assuming the ranger doesn't have Psychic Blast) by destroying the terrian he is on.

How is this action somehow making that brick unbalanced? He took an action that he would have done something else. He didn't move, he didn't attack. It's a move that will only come up every so often, I admit that. But it also an easy rule change. So why belittle me? I'm not asking to help design anything. I just asking Norm to look at it.

Well, with their only being 6 Objects in the standard 300 point game, I hardly see that as a game breaking thing. There are other strategies and tactics that are far more useful (broken if you want) than that.

So it's another tactic to use in your arsenal. Again, with the limited number of objects in a game, I'd hardly call in game breaking. Besides the fact, that you have to use an action to carry that object over to the other figure in the first place, instead of say making an attack or some other equally useful action, does that not balance it out? I'd say so.

If that's the biggest concern with it, having the Dynamostat carried around (BTW, shoot it to get rid of it, or pick it up yourself) then I really don't see any problem here.

No offense, but those are some pretty weak arguments against it.

Who is belittling you?


You proposed a change and a few of us have given some reasons why it might not be such a good idea. I was not aware that "disagreement" = "belittling".


For the sake of moving this along, consider your idea noted. I can not say that anything will ever come from it, but then again, who is to say that anything in the 'Dear Wizkids' forum ever gets results either. All I can say is that Norm will hear about this. Okay?

In order to get the same effect from other game effects and strategies, you would have to invest more points in your team. Perplex or Defend to increase DVs, TK to move objects around, etc.

But if you change Super Strength to allow your characters to drop objects, you essentially get all those benefits for free.

That is a very compelling argument. Cost efficiency must always be considered.

I used to kick some serious hinder at GoldenEye on the N64, but I didn't exactly see Rare beating down my door to help them design sequels

The smiley icon may try to show you are trying to be playful, but the tone was still dismissive.

Thank you for letting Norm hear of it. That's all I can ask.

Of course nobody has mentioned the cheese which would come from things like Moon Knight running around and putting the Shield Disruptor next to various people.


Back on the close vs. ranged thing...

The strategies discussed in the articles may focus on ranged attacking, but I can assure you that range was far more potent before the changes to flight. I'd have no bones about fielding a team with all 0 range figures. I couldn't say that before the change.

Super Strength isn't 'free' it's a power that you pay for on your dial Also, the cost efficiency argument is lost on me, when we've already gotten changes to existing powers retroactively. Such as Combat Reflexes adding the +2 to TK being made to what it is now. Perplex lasting until the beginning of the next turn etc.

Let's take the aforementioned Moon Knight as an example. He picks up said object, and moves with it. He moves to his target square, and drops the object under himself. Now what? He's now put himself in hindering terrain, so he has to halve his movement off of/out of it. He doesn't have the object to be able to use for the purpose of an attack. And even if he's now Stealthed himself, as I've been told many times before, there are many ways to deal with Stealth.

TK is still a much better/more efficient way to move objects. Perplex is not limited to just .

Anyway, it's a small matter really, and honestly I doubt it will ever get changed, but it's one thing about the game that 'bothers' me. I guess I could just use the Separation Field Generator if I want to drop objects

TK can currently perform the exact same function and I haven't heard any complaints about that.

why, look at this... it only took 2 posts to get the right answer. And yet this page continues to ramble on for page after page... time to put a stop to it I think.