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View Poll Results: What is your favorite Star Trek Series?
the end of the last season had some really good episodes, and other than Jolene Blaloch, the rest of the series was total garbage.
Bah, HOSHI!
I can't believe that:
This is a forum full of geeks and nerds, and
We don't have a Trek cheesecake poll yet.
Honestly, I'm losing my faith in the Internet here.
(And I won't participate in it if it doesn't have the #1 Number One.)
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Some GREAT Episodes from ST Next Generation Season 1 and 2.
Some for sure! My favorite from the first season was Datalore.
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Season 1:
The Battle:
A Ferengi captain returns the abandoned Stargazer to its former captain, Jean-Luc Picard. Picard, who experiences severe headaches, begins to relive the "Battle of Maxia" in which he lost the ship.
I liked this one well enough, but it seemed lacking. It loses emotional impact in the mind-control plot. Oddly, my favorite moment from the episode is the Ferengi 2nd in command betraying is captain because revenge was unprofitable. It was a beautiful moment that defined their culture better than their entire first episode.
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11001001
Bynars upgrade the Enterprise's computers in spacedock. Riker and Picard become distracted by a surprisingly realistic holodeck character.
(Riker find himself in Love with a woman that never exist: a creation of the holodeck).
This is one of those episodes that annoys me. The Binars don't make any freaking sense. We're supposed to believe that they're so devoted to yes/no logic that they cannot conceive of asking Star Fleet for help, because Star Fleet might say no, but at the same time have such a grasp of human psychology that they can create a holodeck simulation of a girl that fascinates Picard and Riker. The fact that the authors can't really grasp how boolean logic works permeates the whole episode. But, it's only the second biggest logic failure of the first season.
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Heart of Glory
Fugitive Klingons seeking battle attempt to hijack the Enterprise, and ask Worf to join them.
Very good episode.
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Symbiosis
Picard tries to mediate a trade dispute between two neighboring planets, one of which is the sole supplier of a drug to treat the other's apparently fatal disease. THIS IS AN AWESOME EPISODE.
This is the episode with the bungle that drives me most nuts in the season! GAAAAAAA!
(Nothing personal!)
In this episode, the writers make a basic, glaring and horrible logical error, one of the first mistakes covered in any logic course: Affirming the consequent.
To explain:
The Enterprise encounters two civilizations in a symbiotic relationship. Civilization A is suffering from an apparent plague for which there is no cure, only a treatment. Civilization B provides the treatment, in return for the entire gross planetary product of civilization A. The system has been working for them for centuries, until the ship transporting this year's payment breaks down and is destroyed.
The problem: Civilization A cannot pay. Civilization B needs payment or their civilization will collapse. Civilization A needs the drugs or will die.
The kicker: Dr. Crusher discovers the plague was cured long ago. What Civ A interprets as plague symptoms is withdrawl. The medicine is a drug. Civilization B is supplying them with addictive chemicals. The question: do they know it or do they honestly think they are curing "the plague" as well?
Here's where it falls apart. The representative from Civilization B goes to Picard and says they'll work out some other arrangement for getting paid and will provide the drugs to Civ A.
"AH HA!" Says Picard. "Obviously, YOU KNOW you're supplying them with addictive chemicals, and they'll discover the truth if you don't keep them addicted!"
Sorry, Picard. This is a day one logical error. It doesn't matter whether Civ B knows or not, their actions would be the same.
Imagine if Civ B doesn't know. They believe there's a plague, they believe it will kill everyone on Civ A, which means they will give them the drugs either because of an attack of humaneness or because the loss of Civ A would cause a permanent economic depression to their world.
So it doesn't matter whether they know or not, in either case, they'd turn the drugs over.
But the Writers didn't think it through, so Picard's leap of non-logic turns out to be right and everyone bows to his stunning perception... that wasn't.
When the entire episode revolves around a revelation that doesn't work, it really ruins it for me.
SEASON 2:
A Matter of Honor
Riker is assigned to a Klingon vessel via an officer exchange program between the Federation and the Klingon Empire. THIS IS "THE" EPISODE that MAKE TNG BEGIN TO SHAPE IN AWESOME.
Probably the first truly great TNG episode.
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The Measure of a Man
When Data refuses orders to be dismantled for research purposes, a hearing is convened to determine if he is a legal citizen or property of the Federation. This EPISODE TALK about SO many things: Racism, work, human rights, and many many others things about human condition.
This was a great episode, but it seemed out of character for the federation to act like it did. They ran into sentient machinery repeatedly during the first series, and we're supposed to believe they haven't long gotten over "he's just a machine!" thinking?
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Pen Pals:
Data befriends a child from a doomed planet, breaking the Prime Directive
Beautiful episode.
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Q Who"
Q flings the Enterprise 7,000 light years beyond Federation space and introduces the ship and its crew of the to the deadly Borg
A great introduction for the Borg (though as a Doctor Who fan, I think I'm obligated to call them a Cybermen rip off). This is one of the few times that I've seen any series use a Deus Ex Machina ending and have it actually work, since it sets the stage for the Federation being completely out of its depth dealing with the Borg.
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Peak Performance"
The Enterprise and USS Hathaway face off in simulated combat maneuvers. Data fails to beat a humanoid at a game of Strategema and experiences feelings of self-doubt
You know, I barely remember this episode... Time to crack out the disks!
I like that we like the episodes for different reasons.
I like many of them because of the schicologic and emotionals experiences.
The 11001001 I like because of Riker in love of a woman don't exist. I just ignore the Binars race.
Symbiosis:
I think Picard don't act for logic. He just was deeply disgusted for the situation and he used the Federation rules to "Punish" and "help" the civilisacions on his own way. In a selfish sense of Justice way, more than in a logic way.
The Measure of a Man:
Star Trek wish a good future but I think ALWAYS make excist unfortunatelly some kind of rejections against of what is different. Let's hope that every new generation more and more try to ignore differences.
Q who:
I think the jey of the episode is how Q teach to Picard how to be humble and don't think that he is ready for EVERYTHING.
ST: TNG. It was able to get past the original "special effects humans" effect of the show and into some really good character-driven writing.
It also richly expanded the cultures of the Klingons, the Romulans, and introduced us to The Q and The Borg (who are excellent villains, other than being slower than Sleestaks).
The final episode, All Good Things... was one of the best episodes ever produced (other than the horribly fatal flaw in the middle of the episode, and the rest of the episode was so good it blotted out that mistake). I actually got choked up at the end of that episode.
My favorite episode is The Best Of Both Worlds 1 and 2... Riker ordering the Enterprise to fire was the best cliffhanger ever.
I like that we like the episodes for different reasons.
I like many of them because of the schicologic and emotionals experiences.
The 11001001 I like because of Riker in love of a woman don't exist. I just ignore the Binars race.
Oh, well, in that case, yes, the Riker/hologram subplot was much better than the rest of the episode.
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Symbiosis:
I think Picard don't act for logic. He just was deeply disgusted for the situation and he used the Federation rules to "Punish" and "help" the civilisacions on his own way. In a selfish sense of Justice way, more than in a logic way.
But, without the (falsely reached) conclusion that the "drug pusher" civilization was *knowingly* committing an immoral act, he has no justification for punishing anyone. It would have been a better episode with both civilizations being ignorant. But then there wouldn't have been a good solution...
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The Measure of a Man:
Star Trek wish a good future but I think ALWAYS make excist unfortunatelly some kind of rejections against of what is different. Let's hope that every new generation more and more try to ignore differences.
If it was an individual racists, I'd agree, but the implication was that the entire Federation legal system was willing to go along with it.
I voted for Voyager, since it was my favorite "modern" series, but I really am a big fan of the original series (one of the reasons I liked Voyager so much is that it was the most like TOS) But I'm also a huge fan of the Movies based on the Original series. My roommate is a huge fan of the novels.
But all those Media are about one of the crew as one of the options on this poll.
The ONLY most "famous" Crew NOT on this Poll would be the Crew of the Novels "New Frontier" about the Ship Excalibur and their Captain Calhoun.
I'm a big fan of the New Frontier Novels. Give us an Excalibur Clix!
If I were to take a guess, I'd say that most of the ships will probably be generics (Constitution Class, Miranda Class, etc), with named vessels as LEs (USS Enterprise, USS Reliant, etc.)
My favorite would be TOS - and the movies it expanded into (including the most recent version). Though I admit that I could easily skip ever watching ST: The motion Picture ever again.
And by default I also like the animated series it spawned.
Next would be a tie between DS9 & Enterprise (except its opening song).
So many pan Enterprise. But I was entertained enough by it....
TNG (and its movies) comes in 3rd. For the most part? I simply don't care about the crew. I find them uninteresting. And this feeling of apathy only grows when they appear in the movies.....
Voyager.
If not for this series TNG would've been my least favorite Trek.
Unlike TNG, I dislike the crew of this ship. I want them to get assimilated by the Borg or suffer some other horrible fate.
And then we get to the the shear waste of potential that is this whole show...
Next would be a tie between DS9 & Enterprise (except its opening song).
So many pan Enterprise. But I was entertained enough by it....
Voyager.
If not for this series TNG would've been my least favorite Trek.
Unlike TNG, I dislike the crew of this ship. I want them to get assimilated by the Borg or suffer some other horrible fate.
And then we get to the the shear waste of potential that is this whole show...
Enterprise had an excellent final season, some of the best ST episodes IMO. It covered the "historical" stuff that should have been in the show from season 1 on and I'm not talking about the Temporal Cold war. The Mirror Universe eps. in ENT may have been the best ones ever, at least as good as Mirror Mirror. Yes the theme song does blow.
I agree about the lame crew on Voyager. At times they shined but even the best of them (Tim Russ' portrayal of Tuvok, smokin hot 7 of 9) got stale and predictable. The Borg were lame-ified too. How many times can a single unsupported ship beat some of the toughest villains in Star Trek? .
"The best diplomat I know is a fully charged phaser bank."-Montgomery Scott
1) DS9 - Universe wide space war! No other series has that!
2) Enterprise - really good if you give it a decent chance
3) Next Gen - got me into Trek
4) Voyager - just edges out TOS thanks to the EMH
5) TOS
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