this is how i see a vet spidy looking.
he's supposed to be a transporter but its not coming up.
edit: i changed the point cost

V Spider-Man
Team: Spider-Man
Range: 0
Points: 127
Keywords: Avengers, Scientist, Reporter

10 11 18 3

9 10 17 3

9 10 17 3

8 11 17 3

8 10 18 3

8 9 17 2

8 9 16 2

7 9 16 2

KO KO KO KO

KO KO KO KO

KO KO KO KO

KO KO KO KO

SPIDEY SENSE: Spider-Man can use Super Senses, but evades the attack on a result of 4-6.

Attack - WEB: WEB-SHOOTERS:: Spider-Man can use Incapacitate as if he had a range of 6 if the attack succeeds he may place a Web special terrain marker in the square occupied by the target of the attack
Damage - BIG MOUTH IN TIGHTS : Give Spider-Man a Power Action to make a ranged combat attack targeting up to 2 opposing characters to which it has clear line of fire within 6 squares. If the attack succeeds, it deals no damage. The target(s) must either attempt to move adjacent to or attack Spider-Man next turn.

um... I really don't see what's wrong with him... for the points, I found him quite effective all in all. and besides that... is this pete still early in his career, is this pete in the current age, or what? Consider representations, and just where it is he's supposed to fit. Yes, he's got an avengers keyword. ya know what? I haven't seen Parker doing ANY heavy lifting lately. awhile back, I remember him saying something to the effect of " geeze, a bus?! I have enough trouble lifting a VW Bug these days!"

These days, Pete's also rather broke, and more just mind-numb than ever. yes, he's made the occasional big save due to his science background... but very little of anything that displays the uber-agility, any flurry, etc... the only real exception there was when he took Kraven to within an inch of his life... which... wait... he was WEARING the BLACK SUIT! Which is appropriate for when he's gone totally ape's-a-crappin nuts on his foes... certainly of late.

our every-day spidey has just, in my eyes at least, had less time to keep his skills going and been written more into peter parker- the guy who can't seem to get a break anywhere. And to an extent, that's fine... But I'm ALSO sick of writers in general busting Pete down, and then saying "it's his determination and his perseverance to keep going that defines him". Because quite frankly... Even Peter Parker, the man with a greater responsibility than most anyone else in the Marvel U... as let's face it, The Almighty at one point paid him a personal visit ON EARTH.... has his limits.

So again... I say, the webheads we got in WoS are perfectly playable... and isn't that all that matters? Isn't it enough that one of them has an extended super-senses range, and has a base 18 defense as it is, with that super-sense going down the ENTIRE DIAL? Does he really NEED that combat reflexes boost?

And Black Suit- mister sneaky-stealth himself... the more aggressive web-head, more in-your face than spidey sometimes has a right to be... These two balance it imo. If you want a definitive spidey... ok, fine. Brick Figure. because that DEFINES HIM as of his starting career... well, save for being such a huge target that he can be attacked from... 12 different adjacent people at the same time...

Sorry Desh, but that's gotta be 129.

Drop Indomitable and the second and fifth click and for 99pts you have about a perfect spider-man.

thats why i said he should be more. but no one really wants a spiderman over 100 points.

but i think your right about 130ish.

Spider-Man is not a good comic character so why shoudl he be a good heroclix character answer me that. You arelady got your 50 point Kelly Bonilla power creep crapheep in secret invasion what more do you want

Eh I'd say it depends on the writer.

sure Spidey ain't a good character... he's just one of the few characters that matches or beats wolverine's popularity and is a flagship character.

May as well say that DC's Trinity aren't good characters.

Now, you want to talk about a real HACK... Black Adam. now THERE's a guy whose clix versions have been so abused and heavily powered... but what even IS there to his character? Family loss- oh, wait, that sounds like Peter Parker! Heck, Black Adam even intended to use any means at his disposal to bring Isis and Osiris back from the dead... Sounds similar to Parker's deal with Mephisto.

You'll have to define "good comic character" for me sometime, because your definition can't possibly be the same as mine.

SI = Seth


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Now that this thread has built up a substantial amount of replies to my review, I felt it necessary to highlight, spotlight, and give myself the limelight to reply to the thoughts of our friendly neighborhood gaming community. I will quote someone's reply, and then below it respond to your ideas and bestow upon you some knowledge, so I'd like to take a minute, just sit right there, and I'm going to tell you how I became the Prince of Bel Air. Here goes nothing...Everybody hold onto your butts...Punch it Chewie......



Did you think that writing this was a good idea? I'd like to know what makes your brain go, "I don't like Spider-man, I'm going to read this guy's review of a Spider-man Heroclick, then I'm going to rage on his review." Did you ever watch the Animaniacs' short on their Television series called Good Idea/Bad Idea? You may or may not need to reflect on commonplace etiquette and respect. Know your place. Consider yourself answered to that, whatever that should be. PS - Work on your grammar. Earns a lot of respect in the world.

Very valid stances, but the only thing worth bargaining in the Heroclix world after that is: why make the Brick and 50/50 Senses Spidey 12 points away from each other in difference, and not differentiate between a "New to the Job" Spidey and a "300 issues in, fighting crime after filling Spidey shoes for years"? Sure, the first few years were rough, wouldn't they be for any hero? 78 to 90 points, and both characters are just mock images of each other while both not worth playing. Definitely could've used some differential there. Their is no reason that the 78 and 90 points could've gone eons above the sub-par work put into them to make them different.

The stats are great for Spidey - Don't get me wrong on that point at all. Just underpowered for sure. The un-outwit-able Spidey Sense He can deal a fair amount of damage, and is vexing beyond belief to hit, but no range is a problem, as is him tangling with anyone with any kind of damage reduction; Serious issue against many of his villains in this set. Many solutions could fix that by the powers and the numbers. Does anyone not see the problems when comparing 78 point 50/50 Spidey to 72 point Spider-girl from Secret Invasion. After venn-diagramming the two of those webheads, I hope your head spins a web of it's own. Their is no reason that the flagship red and blue Spider-man of a Spider-man named set should be a Tie-up piece to his villains dodging attacks, and not defeating them.

I def. agree with you on that point. The Back in Black is the, as you put it, Go-to Spidey of the set. Problem that you're skimming the surface of is: Why is Back in Black the Go-to when Classic Red and Blue is not (especially for standard 300-400 point play)? I am personally not going to replace the sculpts; what we are talking about here is principle. This is a Spider-man named set, I got the memo on the Go-to Spidey of the set, and it's not everyday Spider-man; it happens to be a specific comic arc Spider-man. People at Wizkids/NECA need to be pondering what they are doing with their jobs on that one. And to answer you about importance, principle is what is important to me, for what are you without your principles?

Not once did I write anything about breaking the mechanics of the game, nor did I say these powers needed to be made into a trait. Do yourself a favor and read the specifics of what I wrote regarding comic accuracy and relaying those POWERS to the Classic Red and Blue Spider-man i.e. Spider-man #007 of the WOS set. You are assuming my friend, and you know what they say about people who assume right? You now have egg on your face, sir.

Thank you for your honest want of this piece. I am searching and wanting for it too. I am sure you are equally as disturbed by the amount of classic red and blue Spider-men in this Spidey named Set; and not one good old Red and Blue to have contend the likes of Doc Ock, Green Goblin, Carnage, or Sandman from this set. I share in your pain, good sir.




And that's all the time we have today folks to answer your comments and replies to this review of Spider-man. Keep the fuel coming to the fire. I certainly enjoy reading everyone's posts in regards to the intended content of this thread. Perhaps we will get some more tomorrow, and I will answer and reply to your thoughts. Thanks for tuning in. Be back tomorrow. Same time, same net channel. -Steve-0

I think this spiderman was closer to what we need, but there is flaws. But on another note he is a character that is one of the faces of marvel. He is a more powerful character than the game system will accept, having many powers on the power chart But he couldn't be fit onto as many teams. So keeping his point total low makes him more useful and more accurate to the game and comic's.
question ???? which powers from the chart could you totally knock off that he hasn't used ??? I have a few wrote up to see what others think on this subject. please post

I agree with the original post. I do appreciate the relatively cheap Spider-Man that is a nuisance to hit, and actually has a decent set of powers without being a rehashed version of SI Spider-Man.

However, all of the new Spider-Man's actually lack something to make them truly Spider-Man.

Black Suit Spider-Man has a terrible end dial. It's almost reminiscent of the old days of dial designing where a figure's stats dropped fast after the first 2-3 clicks. It's worthless to AE into him just to eek out 4 measly clicks when the 78 point AE offers 3 incredible clicks.

Seriously, if you really wanted to trim costs, just lop off that last click and throw flurry on the first click. I don't think anyone would have complained that he only has 6 clicks if he's got leap/climb, stealth, flurry, exploit weakness, and incap on the first click.

And he would have been a lot cheaper, too. Lopping off that useless 7/8/16/1 with solely incap on the dial would have shaved off about 11 points (given the drop to a six click wildcard, one less click of leap/climb and stealth, etc.) - more than enough points for flurry.

The Brick Spider-Man is actually really good on paper. He's got plenty of move/attack options. The only problem is a small amount of life and wasted space on a brick dial (make it an REV or something with varying costs, just don't make it six clicks of life on a 24 click dial). Otherwise, I love that dial, and I plan on playing him a lot more than any of the other Spider-Man's in this set.

Scarlet Spider is lovely. It's an awesome dial that is really really really playable. He's got some move and attack, his stats are awesome, and his web power has the most potential (who cares if they reduce damage, they were hit, they get stuck!)

Could you imagine if Scarlet Spider were a wildcard? He'd only be 80 points and infinitely just as awesome.

But's it's Ben Reilly. He's not the real Spider-Man. It just wouldn't be right to play that dial on Peter Parker - regardless of how accurate or playable the dial is compared to the other Spider-Men of this set.

And then there's this 78 point Spidey. I can't complain too much. He's cheap, he's efficient, and he's a nuisance to hit.

But it doesn't play like Spider-Man at all. It plays like a leap/climb super strength character who's got a cool power and designed to march up to a figure, dodge attacks, clear, dodge attacks, then hit for 5 damage. Then do it over again.

That's not Spider-Man. It never will be Spider-Man's fighting style. It's too slow and too brutal.

Spider-Man doesn't even start with webs! However, he has it the rest of his dial? What sense does that make? Most of the time, Spidey starts webbing stuff up, and then he runs out of web fluid. Seriously, why is he designed to leap to a threat that won't get an attack to stick, take the figure out with a heavy object in one attack, then remembers: "Hey, I'm Spider-Man, I can web people up!"

His end dial is lackluster too. His weakest stats are at the end of his dial and there's no outwit, no flurry, nothing to say "I'm not giving up, I'm gonna win this fight because I have to with great power . . ."

A well-designed figure for the metagame, but a poor representation of Spidey - at least the Infinity Challenge versions showed Peter's brains and ability to pull out a win even after a beating.

All I want from a Spider-Man is a more resilient version of SI Spidey. More mobile, longer lived, has some brainpower after upfront goodness, maybe some neat tricks mid-late dial coupled with an upswing to show he doesn't give up when it matters most.

Something like this:

#007 V Spider-Man
Team: Spidere-Man
Range: 0
Points: 125
Keywords: Avengers, Celebrity, Fantastic Four, Martial Artist, Marvel Knights, Reporter, Scientist

9 11 18 3

8 10 18 3

8 9 17 2

8 10 17 2

7 9 16 2

7 10 16 2

7 11 15 3

KO KO KO KO

KO KO KO KO

KO KO KO KO

KO KO KO KO

KO KO KO KO

Attack - Web Punch: Spider-Man can use Flurry and Willpower. When Spider-Man uses Flurry and makes the second attack, the attack deals 0 damage. Instead, Spider-Man can choose to place an action token on the target or a Web token in the target's square.
Damage - Webs Away!: Spider-Man can use Telekinesis option 1, 3, and Incapacitate (as if he had a range of 6 and ). After the resolution of an action in which Spider-Man uses Telekinesis option 1, 3, or Incapacitate, he can place a Web Token in the target's or targets' destination square. After the resolution of an action in which Spider-Man uses Telekinesis Option 1 or 3, Spider-Man can use Charge as a free action if he ends his movement adjacent to or occupying the destination square.

". And to answer you about importance, principle is what is important to me, for what are you without your principles?"


reasonable

or just plain nuts... what ever fits the situation as seen fit...

I think, like the doc ock of the set, that what the guy is asking for is a unique spiderman. Who knows if he'd be 111 or 140, or 90 pts. But anyway you slice it, he'd be so good, for the pts, that there'd be no exception in that you should only be able to run one of them.

Agreed.