And I think Martian Manhunter's power:

DETECTIVE OF THE DEAD: If an opposing character is KO'd during your turn, Martian Manhunter can use Exploit Weakness, Outwit, and Probability Control until the beginning of your next turn.

I think that means you have to be dead to use this piece! Are there rules for dead players vs. living ones?

So you are telling me that we can apply backwards logic in the rules? But this is incorrect. A close combat action will lead to a close combat attack that will lead to an attack roll. That I get.

Now answer me this: Superman just made a close combat attack. Was Superman given a close combat action?

You can't answer that question with the data I have given you, just like you can't say that an attack happened just because an attack roll happened.

The section had in fact NOT been mentioned in the old thread.

After reading what Harpua posted a couple of times with some though I can see the logic that leads to this being an attack. This was all I was asking for; the logic that lead to the ruling of it being an attack, since the logic was missing from previous posts on the matter.

The Player's Guide is only updated at certain points. Munchoboy is talking about the process of what happens when a rules question comes up between editions of the Player's Guide. The rules deputies are the front line, they answer questions based on what is currently printed to the best of their ability. If they need to, they defer to nbperp who can directly talk to game designers. Even if it doesn't get to game designers, or takes 3 weeks for them to answer, the ruling made by the rules deputy is the official ruling until a new Player's Guide is released.

We can debate what Munchoboy was or was not saying to death, but it looks like the issue has been resolved so there is no need.

I'm not really following... What issue? The question the topic was created for? That was resolved before you said anything.

Now I am confused, how do we determine the as though in support means it isn't a close combat attack but the as if's we run into with special powers mean that they do have the power or range?

FWIW, the closest thing I have in hand now is what I believe will be approved in the next PG. I hope this resolves people's questions:

1 - Energy Shield or Combat Reflexes? Answer: Energy Shield
2 - Shape Change? No - it does not target
3 - Super Senses? Yes, it is an attack
4 - Stealth? No - no lines of fire are being drawn to characters
5 - Friendly characters? No - it says opposing.

Miss anything?

Please PM me instead of starting unnecessary conflict. This is the second time in two days.

Yes, this resolves all questions nicely. Thank you for getting to the bottom of this.

I'm not trying to start conflict. That was an honest question, I really wasn't sure what you were trying to say. I will admit the other thread was intentionally calling you out (which, in the future, I will reserve for PMs as you have requested, not that I plan on doing it again or anything), but this wasn't.

Ok, but does it effect friendly characters?

Here you go.

Post 37, point 5 contains the answer you seek.

If it targets the square rather than the character, why would you not include a peanut base on two separate squares twice?

If I target squares like this
Boomerang is in square A0, the attack proceeds A to B to C, etc.

AF
BE
CD

A contains character A, B contains character B's front end, C contains character C, D contains character D, E contains character B's back end and F contains the back end of character F (who has their front end in the next square, irrelevant for this example)

You can say it is because B is a character and it says each character but it also says each character occupying a chosen square. Character B occupies B and E, I chose both those squares

Because the power doesn't say anything about each time hit (or something similar). It just says if they are hit, they are dealt 2 damage.

A single based character, hit once: was it hit? Yes. Deal 2 damage.

A double based character, hit twice: was it hit? Yes. Deal 2 damage.

WoS Brick Spider-Man, hit four times: was it hit? Yes. Deal 2 damage.


And so on.