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Would you be able to attack an object that another figure is carrying in this way to remove the object from there grasp there by saving one of your friendly's from being smashed with it?
No, you can't attack an object that is being carried unless there is some game text that specifically says you can use the ability on a carried object. Nightcrawler says nothing about carried objects, so he can't affect carried objects.
So.....Nightcrawler can alter the position of IMMOBILE objects.
So can Darkseid, eh?
Immobile: "can't be picked up or moved using any game effect."
I guess the ruling is that "place" isn't picked up or moved. Obviously it's a game effect, though.
It's almost like game design sits around and says "how can we make loopholes for players to exploit and confuse most players?"
Man, I hope this wording is clarified without using already-defined words. Like just "who's original position cannot be altered by any game effect."
Moved and placed have been distinct and separate terms for quite awhile. See Ice's SP as an example of when a game effect would cover both terms:
Freeze in Place: Ice can use Incapacitate. If she hits with Incapacitate, no game effect can move or place her target away from the square(s) it currently occupies until the beginning of your next turn.
Superman: "I can fly because I come from a higher gravity planet!"
Physics nerd: "Wouldn't that just let you jump higher? Gravity would still pull you down, you couldn't hover or anything."
Superman: "And I can fly into the sun and back!"
Physics nerd: "Your planet was heavier than the SUN? Not to mention that, as a ball of gas (really plasma) with no solid surface, you wouldn't be able to jump away from it, much less fly..."
Superman: "And I have heat vision for sterilizing people who annoy me."
Physics nerd: "That... would work just fine. I'll be going now. Sir."
What always bothered me is..suppose superman can fly... which means his is not effected by gravity... fine. But how can he fly and carry anything? how can he punch someone without effecting himself just as much.
How can a super hero lift a building by putting their hands on it. no matter hwo strong their hands are, they are not more than half a foot squared of surface area. the building would just collapse around them.
Or how can he move a planet? the idea of a man being strong enough to move a planet is obsurd because the surface area of a man vs a planet would be like trying to move a 20 foot cheese wheel with the top of a sewing needle. The cheese woldn't move, the needle would just make a hole and go thru it.
What always bothered me is..suppose superman can fly... which means his is not effected by gravity... fine. But how can he fly and carry anything? how can he punch someone without effecting himself just as much.
How can a super hero lift a building by putting their hands on it. no matter hwo strong their hands are, they are not more than half a foot squared of surface area. the building would just collapse around them.
Or how can he move a planet? the idea of a man being strong enough to move a planet is obsurd because the surface area of a man vs a planet would be like trying to move a 20 foot cheese wheel with the top of a sewing needle. The cheese woldn't move, the needle would just make a hole and go thru it.
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Even as a kid I always wondered how Steve Austin (the 6 Million Dollar Man) could lift a car with that bionic arm of his. Even if the bionics are strong enough to lift a car, wouldn't the effort tear the bionics from his shoulder. I mean, at some point, the machine is knitted into the man. That knitting is only as strong as the tissue on the man side of the equation.
<<But, yes - a man can crawl on a wall, sense danger, leap small buildings in a single bound and marry redheaded supermodels.>>
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And then there's the question of how Superman flies in space. Where does the motion come from?
Super Strength lifting causes so much fun. Beyond the fact that, as you mentioned, buildings would crumble rather than be lifted (most really heavy objects can't be lifted by grabbing them for the same reason), even if they somehow could, why isn't our superhero sinking into the ground? At least crack the sidewalk! I was amused when the 80's Starman series actually did this correctly in an issue. Starman attempted to lift a crane to rescue someone, and was shoved into the ground by his own strength. THANK YOU!
In the end, most superhero powers don't make much sense. Cyclops can't turn off his energy beams! Where is that energy coming from? Why doesn't Cyclops have to eat 24 hours a day?
Telekinesis... don't even get me started.
Oh, well, time to turn the Willing Suspension of Disbelief back on.
This reminds me my old RPGs days. Every once in a while, a player would start to discuss the obvious impossibility of some magic or super-heroic feats that were accomplish. My answer was always the same : "This is a world in which giant, fire breathing lizards can FLY. Don't ask."
You know everyone loves to be the villain. Hugh Grant
In the end, most superhero powers don't make much sense. Cyclops can't turn off his energy beams! Where is that energy coming from? Why doesn't Cyclops have to eat 24 hours a day?
It has long been the case that Cyclops, and his brother Havok, are powered by the sun and/or light. Within the last couple years there was a story where Havox was being kept deep underground in a room with no light so that he couldn't use his powers to escape. Well he managed to get a little and blew his way out.
I thought cyclops's eye blasts came from a "speed force" dimension but instead of speed it was pure force energy.
Havoc's power comes not only from the sun but all cosmic energy. So being trapped in a cell underground would stop solar energy from getting to him, but there are plenty more cosmic energy sources to draw from.
And then there's the question of how Superman flies in space. Where does the motion come from?
Super Strength lifting causes so much fun. Beyond the fact that, as you mentioned, buildings would crumble rather than be lifted (most really heavy objects can't be lifted by grabbing them for the same reason), even if they somehow could, why isn't our superhero sinking into the ground? At least crack the sidewalk! I was amused when the 80's Starman series actually did this correctly in an issue. Starman attempted to lift a crane to rescue someone, and was shoved into the ground by his own strength. THANK YOU!
In the end, most superhero powers don't make much sense. Cyclops can't turn off his energy beams! Where is that energy coming from? Why doesn't Cyclops have to eat 24 hours a day?
Telekinesis... don't even get me started.
Oh, well, time to turn the Willing Suspension of Disbelief back on.
Cyclops is easy - he does not generate the energy - his eyes are a conduit to another dimension where red energy, stopped only by red crystal, abounds
In the 80s reboot, John Byrne explained Superman's powers as psionics. For super strength, Superman uses a kind of tactile telekinesis that, when he touches an object, it encompasses it and holds it together. He generates gravitons as a repulsive force, generating thrust when he is flying.
His invulnerability is a combination of Krpytonian natural durability and a very thin force field around himself. He (Byrne) managed to slip in a Monty Python reference when Superman did not get dirty in one story
The real questions are
1. Spider-Man has amazing jumping and leaping powers. But his powers came from a web weaving spider. Web based spiders are actually quite weak, overall, compared to insects. Why do you think spiders are trap based hunters?
Compare predatory spiders to predatory beetles. Beetles take their prey on straight on without poison (mind you, straight on is pretty weakly defined here... most insects can crawl on another insect before they realize it is an enemy!)
And why did Spidey not get some kind of venomous vomit power? In order to eat he has to pump digestive juices into the food and suck it up liquid
Aunt May: Have some cookies, Peter
Peter: Thanks, Aunt May. <RALPH....sucking noise> Those are great!
2. In order to sense things, spiders use setae (hairs). Why isn't Spidey hairier than Wolverine
And setae are sharp. Tarantulas can actually flick them and they are like micro needles. Why doesn't Spidey have that as a power
Be glad that Wolverine is only named for the animal, he does not have the powers of it. Otherwise he would have horrific body odour as a power (wolverines have musk glands similar to skunks, only they cannot spray them like a skunk)
It has long been the case that Cyclops, and his brother Havok, are powered by the sun and/or light. Within the last couple years there was a story where Havox was being kept deep underground in a room with no light so that he couldn't use his powers to escape. Well he managed to get a little and blew his way out.
Still doesn't make any sense. He's not a big black splotch, which means he's reflecting most of the light that hits him, not absorbing it to power himself. You'll notice that most solar panels tend to be black. The amount of power he's absorbing wouldn't power him anymore than the light you're absorbing powers you, which is to say a little bit, but not a whole lot.
But, let's buy this explanation for a moment, as it lets us predict one of the chases for GSX: 150 pt, ultra-powerful NAKED CYCLOPS! : - )
(Maybe White Queen is solar powered. It would explain her wardrobe.)
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Cyclops is easy - he does not generate the energy - his eyes are a conduit to another dimension where red energy, stopped only by red crystal, abounds
Next issue of X-Men, the beings from that dimension invade ours to get justice for Cyclops endless slaughter of their race! : - )
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In the 80s reboot, John Byrne explained Superman's powers as psionics. For super strength, Superman uses a kind of tactile telekinesis that, when he touches an object, it encompasses it and holds it together. He generates gravitons as a repulsive force, generating thrust when he is flying.
It's a sad state of affairs when an explanation involving telekinesis makes more sense than the earlier explanation. : - )
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His invulnerability is a combination of Krpytonian natural durability and a very thin force field around himself. He (Byrne) managed to slip in a Monty Python reference when Superman did not get dirty in one story
I remember that one.
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The real questions are
1. Spider-Man has amazing jumping and leaping powers. But his powers came from a web weaving spider. Web based spiders are actually quite weak, overall, compared to insects. Why do you think spiders are trap based hunters?
Was Peter bit by a web-weaving spider? As I recall, the only web we saw was a drag line the spider was using to hang down from the ceiling. Lots of hunting spiders (vs. web-spinners) use drag lines. (I'm trying to think back to the original comic.)
This could explain why he didn't get web powers. All he can produce is a single bit of line, and he's too embarrassed to use it openly. : - )
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And why did Spidey not get some kind of venomous vomit power? In order to eat he has to pump digestive juices into the food and suck it up liquid
He did, he just doesn't like using it. Though who wouldn't like being able to digest his food before swallowing it?
If he'd been bitten by a green lynx spider, he could change the color of his skin!
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2. In order to sense things, spiders use setae (hairs). Why isn't Spidey hairier than Wolverine
He knows a good dermatologist?
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And setae are sharp. Tarantulas can actually flick them and they are like micro needles. Why doesn't Spidey have that as a power
Come to think of it, "Itchy man" is still open for a super hero name.
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Be glad that Wolverine is only named for the animal, he does not have the powers of it. Otherwise he would have horrific body odour as a power (wolverines have musk glands similar to skunks, only they cannot spray them like a skunk)
Wasn't Wolverine originally supposed to be an actual wolverine "evolved" into humanoid form? Probably best that they dropped that one. : - )
Not five seconds after I posted my response, a spider descended form the ceiling on a single strand of web and landed on my glasses. I couldn't coax him into biting me and giving me superpowers, though. Stupid, greedy spiders, hoarding all the superpowers.
Really, though, I want to get bitten by a radioactive octopus. Venomous bite, suction powers, the ability to squeeze through tiny cracks, ink spray, color changing, and jet propulsion! What's not to love? I'm sure we can squeeze "proportionate strength of an octopus" in there, even if it doesn't actually make any sense (it doesn't for Peter either!)