Hm..."shower" is not the word I got reading down the first letters of your little list...

Okay, sorry to beat a dead horse (and yes I'm pretty sure it's dead Jim), but I am certain someone showed me a forum post that said something like:

xSx
SOS
xSx

would block in the guy, and no matter what way he moved, he'd only get to move 1 as he would be entering hindering terrain. (assuming he didn't start IN hindering terrain)

However, what I take from this discussion is that it doesn't matter what sorts of hindering terrain was there, they all count the same way:

xWx
HoR
xEx

If my dude happened to have gotten dropped off (by say night crawler) in the middle of those 4 terrain pieces then my guy would have to spend 1 round moving into one of those 8 spaces and have to stop moving?

But as I understand it, this does NOT count for blocking spaces.

so

xBx
BoB
xBx

Would block you in (as it is contiguous) but

xWx
WOB
xWx

(assuming W is a wall and B is an immovable object)

would not stop movement. Is all of that correct? Also, I guess it's worth asking, assuming that the 3 W's are all part of a single wall, you could not move left in this scenario but if those were three separate walls that came together at that point without connecting, you could move between them, yes?

That is correct. No matter where O moved, O would need to stop because O either entered hindering terrain or O crossed the intersection of two pieces of hindering terrain.

Correct.

It's not so much that it is contiguous, but the intersection is blocking and blocking so it is blocked and you cannot move through the intersection.

I assume it looks like this:

. . . . . .
. . . . . .
. . . . . .
. . . . Y .
. | . X O .
. . . . Y .
. . . . . .
. . . . . .

When X moves to the Y, X moves over the intersection of a wall (blocking) and an object (hindering) so the intersection is treated as hindering and X would need to stop.

I have no idea what you mean by a single wall. The wall either has gaps which would allow movement or it does not. In the example above, there are no gaps.

Sorry I was thinking more like this:

. . . . . .
. . . . . .
. . | . . .
. ? | y .
-- X O .
. ? | y .
. . | . . .
. . . . . .

Okay, so in this example, someone else blew a hole in the wall, and X ran up into it, getting stopped by hindering. Y is a barrier. Can X move to either of the ?'s, only to the y's or not at all?

Why wouldn't X be able to move into a ? square? Not only are they adjacent to X, but they are on the same side of the wall as X... the wall doesn't even enter into the equation here.

Did you maybe mean can O move into the ? squares? If so, that would depend on what exactly X is supposed to be (character, blocking terrain, etc.).

I want to first understand the diagram. What is O? And does it look like example 1 or 2 below? (Or something else entirely?)

Example 1:

. . .|. . .
. . .|. . .
. . ?|B . .
. . X O . .
. . ?|B . .
. . .|. . .
. . .|. . .

Example 2:

. . .|. . .
. . .|. . .
. . ?|B . .
. . . X O .
. . ?|B . .
. . .|. . .
. . .|. . .

Sorry no, I was intending X to be standing in the middle of a square, with blocking terrain at each cardinal direction, but none on the diagonals.

. . . . . .
. . . . . .
. . | . . .
. ? | y .
__ X B .
. ? | y .
. . | . . .
. . . . . .

X (The acting character) is standing with a wall to the north, south, and west, and then someone but up a barrier to the east.

My friends have been arguing, that when a character wants to move diagonally, they have to be ABLE to move through one non-diagonal squares. As in this scenario, X would not be able to move in one of the cardinal directions, so can he move at all?

Basically, this comes down to a discussion about how a character moves. Does he move diagonally, or does he only move diagonally if he's not blocked.

. . . . . .
. . . . . .
. . B . .
. B X B .
. . B . .
. . . . . .

This character has just had someone put up a barrier all around them.

In this scenario, our understanding is the character is blocked in and cannot move for the round due to the barrier. Is that correct? I asked the previous question about the walls because my understanding of it, is that you COULD move through those diagonals through the walls if you had shot a hole in it.

Another similar scenario that we ran into last night was this:

. . | . . .
. . | . . .
. . | . . .
. . | . . .
. . ? O . .
. . | X . .
. . | . . .
. . | . . .

X is in the bank, and O is an object that someone carelessly dropped in front of the door leading out to the lobby. Can X move to the ? and keep going? Or does he move to ? and get stopped there because technically he's moved through hindering terrain (as my friends put it, he has to chose the best of the two cardinal directions, one is blocked the other is hindering, so he moves 1 space and gets stuck. What happens?

Thanks

I'm still not following you. (Your diagram is off, I think. You seem to be putting walls through the middle of squares. Also, select your map and make it Courier New under fonts. That helps.)



You would cross an intersection of blocking and hindering, so movement is hindered.

The problem everyone is having here is that you can't have a map like that.

It can be like this:
. . . . .
. .|. . .
. ?|y . .
. X B . .
. ?|y . .
. .|. . .
. . . . .

Or this:
. . . . .
. .|. . .
. ?|y . .
. X B . .
. ?|y . .
. .|. . .
. . . . .

In either case you can't move to the y-squares, because of the blocking terrain.

And in the case of being surrounded by barrier tokens, you can only move if you have some way of ignoring the blocking terrain for movement.

Ah okay, thanks Vanasher, of course the wall wouldn't be like that.

But, thanks, by answering the 2nd and third map, you have answered my fundamental question. My friends were right on the movement question.

So the last one is this:


. . . . . .
. . . . . .
. . Z ? . .
. . X Y .
. . . . . .
. . . . . .

X has hyper sonic speed can he move to ? and either way, why or why not? (Is it a property of Hypersonic that would allow him to do it, or a product of the movement rules?)

That depends on what Z and Y are.

This sort of relates and I didn't already (although it could be covered by something else):

B H
X O

B=Blocking Terrain
H=Hindering Terrain
_=Wall
X=Character
O=Clear Terrain

Would the character be able to move across the diagnol into the hindering? Does the wall have an effect on least restrictive?

No. The wall and the blocking meet causing the intersection to be blocking.

Thanks, just wanted to be sure.

Back to the SHOWER diagram...

The grounded character is standing on the Water square and has a speed symbol.

If the character moves to either the Object or Excavated Graves it will stop because it is moving into hindering terrain?

The reason is that and speed characters treat Water as clear.

Right?