Like I said Supes just stays at a distance when facing someone with kryptonite if the writers portray him as they're supposed to.I don't know what you think about that Zekeup,but to me that seems like a pretty easy way to overcome his sole(except for magic)weakness.Much easier than Batman can overcame his many weakness.

A huge weakness?It's not like you can go into a drug store or any other kind of store and buy kryptonite.It is kinda scarce.Guns, bullets,and knives on the other hand...

I personally love Batman, and I want to say something Grant Morrison said:

" Batman ALWAYS wins soimply because Batman Cheats!"

This is true. I don not want to start a "WHY THE HELL ARE YOU CALLING BATMAN A CHEATER" chain reaction, but His power is being Smart. Very Very Smart. That leads to figuring out how to defeat every man or woman in the planet, using vary complex methods and artifacts combined with his outwit (Just to post Something Herolcix-like)

Bottom line: Batman is a cheater (In a Very Good way!)

My vote is for Captain Marvel.

I think Captain Marvel is awesome!During the Eclipso mini-series when Eclipso took control of Superman's body and all the major heroes tried to stop him Captain Marvel went toe to toe with Supes better than anyone else I had seen up to that point.I think SHAZAM is most certainly underrated.But I still vote for Superman.

Shazam is old-school, not as old as Superman but in the way like, "What has he done lately?" Shazam is still cool and he'd make a great Heroclix figure, but he hasn't got the same draw-power as Superman.

I've seen a couple of bouts where Shazam has bested Superman in a hand-to-hand fight, but that was more a decision made by the writer.

I still reckon Superman is the most powerful super-hero around.

And so what if Batman can get a hold on some kryptonite, what's stopping Superman from wearing that protective suit he owns? I know the suit was melted dy the Joker's acid in the 'World's Finest' movie, but Superman would be more wary of things like that now. Anyway, could Batman possibly outthink someone charging in at them at hypersonic speed?

I love Batman just as much as Big Blue, but in my books, Superman is the apex of all power.

Goldeagle
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Uhhh...not to nitpick, but why do you think that Batman trained to take revenge on his Father?? Both his Mother and Father were gunned down in front of him as a child, so he vowed to "avenge" their deaths, by trying to clean the crime off the streets of Gotham.
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Yes, that's true. Maybe he does learn faster, but fast enough to master, or nearly master everything? I don't think so. And Supes had an emotional childhood too. Having to deal with the fact that he is the only living Kryptonian. The fact that his mother, father and every one of his race do not exist anymore...that is less than Batman's problems? The fact that he has had to learn and embrace a society that is alien to his own? What I'm saying is that Batman is said to be a normal person...that he doesn't have a superpower. He's not faster, smarter, stronger than the average person. Just that he has learned to deal with it in his own way. But having him "know" everything to a degree lessens him in my eyes. The writers don't even give it a valid reason from my standpoint. Simply the fact that he "looked it up" or studied it during his training. As far as I know, a normal person can't master a subject in 20 years, let alone most of them. It just doesn't work that way.

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BUT, Batman has taken time to learn things from many different areas. Through intense study, Batman has not exactly "mastered" everything, but he is very high in the ranks. He also trains frequently, and is a highly analytical person, who uses all he knows to come to a conclusion. He's supposed to represent the "everyman hero". Basically anyone with alot of money could be Batman, if they wanted to be.
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Thus, he knows alot about things, but not everything about everything. Something like, "I know something about biology, I should be able to operate on this gunshot wound" sort of thing? That's what I don't like about Batman. That's the way he's written.

Wasteland

Wasteland,

Valid points, and I do see your side of things. Yes, alot of the writers were doing Batman like he was the be-all-end-all of the super hero ranks.

The main appeal about Batman, in my mind, is this. Like I said, he's an everyman's hero, meaning he could be anyone. Yes, the fact that they seem to make him an expert in everything all the time is a bit annoying. If I had tried to cram that much knowledge into my head, I'm sure it would have exploded by now lol.

I've followed Batman for alot of years, from just after they killed Jason Todd (awesome storyline, from the TPB), and just recently got into Superman. I really do think that the writers on Superman don't give him a fair shake. They do tend to make him out to be a country bumpkin, and always battling with his inner demons, plus his opponents. That I think is his main weakness...he is always so caught up in "What if I do this?? What will happen?" that he isn't used to his full potential. Although, it's also what makes him the super hero that all others are patterned after.

To make this rant seem shorter (I hope), I'm just going to say that Batman & Superman are both sides of the same coin. They both have their faults, and they both have their parts that make them great. That is probably the main reason that the two of them have worked together so often, and so well. Where Clark is the soul and muscle, and Bruce is the brains, and strategy.

Just my .02 worth, Canadian of course

Superman vs Batman.

In a knock down, drag out, fight to the DEATH, there is only one winner.

Assuming that both Supes and Bats are aware of the fight (ie, both decide to kill the other) then there can be only one. (to steal a line)

And thats Supes. Hands down, no questions asked.

Superman can fly into space, scan the planet for Bats, or heck, blow the ####ed thing up if he choses, and fry him with his heat vision.

Or throw something at him.

Or swoop down at his fastest speed and kill him.

Or have Lois seduce Bats and then kill him...

Er, ok maybe not that one, but see, Superman is leagues away from Batman in terms of power.

Yes, Batman, in a "Pretend" fight, where no one kills, or Supes is holding back, may win.

Even with Kryptonite Supes just snipes him.

Heat Vision from the sky. Toasty Bats.

Or even just grab Bats, and Up Up and Away into Space.

Oh look Bats imploded.

Game over man....Game Over...

any green lantern is most powerful having no limits on what you can do any of them would kill supes if they wanted to

See, of course, Batman would never get into a "knock down, drag out, fight to the DEATH" with Superman. At least, not toe-to-toe.

Say they were arch-enemies, somehow. Here's what would happen:

Superman flies around, looking for Batman - REALLY fast.
Batman hides in the Batcave, comming up with a way to best Superman.
At a time and location convient to Batman, Superman would find Batman.
Heat vision: Check - Batman's planned for it.
Superspeed: Check - he's got that covered.
Ect, ect, ect.
And, ZAP POW BAM right in the kisser with the Kryptonite gloves (or whatever).

Batman wins. I'm not as smart as Batman is (odd statement) - I don't know how he'd do it; but he WOULD.

Superman is called the "Boy Scout" for a reason. He doesn't kill and he plays by the rules.

Batman wins at any costs and by any means necessary.

Batman would win.

You can't go saying:

"If they were mortal enemies... If Superman would kill... If yadda, yadda, yadda."

By the way the characters are now and have been for MANY years now-- Batman would win.

When you add "Ifs" and "Buts" into the equation you are no longer technically talking about the same characters and who they are.

'Nuff Said!

um... this is who's the best in the DCU, not who's the bast out of supes and bats. hal jorden would kick all of their assets. and kyle might too! john, probably not, not enough willpower. and guy might have a bit of trouble. probably supes with a green lantern ring (from last son of earth) would be the strongest, or bats. maybe the flash with a ring. oohh... that'd be cool.
but bats vs supes? smack smack with the kyrptonite and down goes superman.
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Still, Batman isn't going to kill Supes. That's all there is to it. Short of killing him I don't know what he could do to permanently keep him out of the picture. I don't know enough about any of the green lanterns to make an accurate judgement, could never get past the motto.
At some point someone is just going to have to define "most powerful".

this isn't a batman v. superman thread last I checked....maybe I'm wrong.

I thought that either Spectre or Doomsday was the most powerful. I'm kind of surprised no-one has mentioned Doomsday yet. Why hasn't he made the list? (no, really...I'm asking cuz I don't know.)