Good to go, still work, not nerfed, functional, jess fine, still in da game?

Capisce?

Actually pretty fair question, Questions

Who who questions training trains only for questions

I'm not seeing a fundamental flaw. When the KO appears, according to the rules, the figure is "defeated and immediately removed from the game." So, when is that: after KO appears and then you continue to turn the dial, or as soon as the KO appears? Apparently, it's the former. Otherwise the damage taken does in fact "magically" stop, because the figure was defeated and thus removed from the game. As the rules state.

Here's the flaw (from the PG):

The amount of damage a character takes is always considered the total amount that would be taken assuming the figure is not KO’d.


I would contend that this line from the PG was not necessary and that the rules, as they were with no clear indication that you must stop taking damage into account just because a character was KO'd, covered stuff sufficiently.

However, others did not feel this way, so the clarification was added to make sure everyone was on the same page. As the rules state.

we have a PG entry which makes the ruling official, but using a PG entry to support a ruling is circular logic. And if you seriously believe that the entry was not needed, that the ruling was in fact the most likely conclusion to be drawn from the rules, then we aren't reading the same rulebook.

The 2 squares that you would normally get knock back. Because there is nothing in the "LIVE" special power saying that damage is being reduced you just stop when it is reveled, but if people say that you get knock back 4 squares, and you get into the wall you wouldnt take knock back because ALL WL are fliers.

Characters using the Flight ability are dealt knockback damage when their knock back path is stopped by a wall. They are not dealt knock back damage when they are knocked off elevated terrain.

The PG entry isn't supporting any ruling: it IS the ruling.

And you are welcome to that opinion.

I read this entire thread and did not discern the answer to the original question.

Does the WL character who is hit for 2 with knockback, then hitting a wall or blocking terrain take 2 then 2 for the wall, or do they take 4, leaving them on LIVE! ?

that wasnt the original question the question was do they take 4 knockback or 2 because after 2 they hit live. it seems that the ruling is that all 4 damage was taken so they are knocked back 4 squares causing them get to live after 2 damage and then when taking the knockback damage they would die since its seperate from the damage from the attack. the contention was not that the knockback damage would be counted but how far he would be knocked back since you stop clicking after the 2 clicks

Ok...all I wanted to know was do the buggers die in this situation, and they do, so we played it right in our game.

Here's my take on it (ignorant though it admittedly is).

There's a difference between damage dealt and damage received.

With Live or Bombastic Bagman 4 damage is being dealt. But perhaps the figure only receives 1 or 2 damage. This is differen than something like Toughness or Impervious that actually affects (and talks about) damage dealt.

But again, I'm no expert.

I would agree that the Knockback would only be 2 squares, because the clix in question still only TOOK 2 damage, regardless of how much was dealt.

The Bag-Man rules specifically states the attacking characters takes damage equal to the damage DEALT. It doesn't say take damage equal to how much Bag-man TAKES.

The White Lantern was DEALT 4 damage, but he only TOOK 2.

At least that's how my logic views it..

Bombastic Bag-Man is actually based on the damage he takes. He deals damage back, but that damage is based on the damage he takes, not what he is dealt.

From the Player's Guide:
(I do think the fix should have actually been to make Bombastic Bag-Man based on damage dealt, not damage taken, but for whatever reason they didn't go that route.)

First of all, Bag-Man's ruling is based on the damage taken, not the damage dealt. It's says so right in the trait.

Secondly, do you realize that when game effects like these key off of how much damage is "dealt" to a character it is tantamount to how much damage the figure takes?

For example Goliath's Throw SP:
Goliath has a printed damage value of 3.
He rolls a critical hit against a figure with Invulnerable.
He's going to knock the figure back 4 squares, because that's twice the final damage dealt which is equal to the damage taken. (Many people think that he'd be knocked back 8, but that's not correct.)