Go ahead and buy then because the USS Defiant has an entry in the rules.

I just posted all 12 federation and 10 of the 12 Klingons here...
http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showth...=321540&page=2

since you have access to all STar Trek properties and timelines, i'm throwing out a challenge to you.

I'm a partial fan of Star trek online, and it's confirmed that the storyline is offical canon.

There this really cool looking shipthat they just announced for the game.
i'm challenging you to , inthe words of one Jean Luc Picard.."make it so."

here's the ship:http://www.startrekonline.com/node/2549

Now boldly..GO.

Apparently the ships come unpainted - bummer. I mean, I guess most Star Trek ships are fairly boring as far as color goes, especially a lot of the Klingon ships, but it would have been nice to get little details like the red and blue on the warp engines or decals with the ship designations.

That's new.

Where did you hear that?

Board Game Geek. I don't know this to be the case, but there certainly seems to be quite a buzz about it over there, and the pictures I've seen don't indicate that the figures are painted - just generic grey plastic for federation ships and green plastic for Klingon ships.

Normally I wouldn't care that much if boardgame pieces came unpainted, you almost assume that they will, but when it's coming from Wizkids, a company practically known for their pre-painted minis, and at a $100 pricetag, it would be a bit of a disappointment.

On the flipside, I seem to remember on the old Wizkids page for the game that the digital sculpts were painted, so maybe the photos we've seen are just early shots. I'm not holding my breath though...

Argh. Thanks for pointing me in that direction....I found this....

Post 4I don't even know what to say about that.........the ships in Expeditions(where they are just a small part of the game) are going to be of better quality (highlighted and have decals) than the ships in Fleet Captain.......where ships are the main focus.

......my brain hurts........alot.

I still want the game but that cuts me deep WK.

So let me get this straight... They want $100 for 24 unpainted miniatures and some cards? Well, I thought the price was pretty steep to begin with. Now I know it's actually insulting. On the other hand, maybe I can just print out the cards and play the game with Star Trek Micro Machines instead. You know, the folks that were able to deliver 3 pretty highly detailed minis for around $5 not so very long ago.

Unbelievable.

"cloick for beattery view"

NO SHOW MIANTUREA SHOWS ACARDS CAUSE THATS DWHAT DTHE BEATTER VIEW ALKOOOKSLIKE FU

That's quite a bummer.

I guess I'll just have to paint some highlights on them myself.

What?!

I'm TOTALLY out now.

It's expensive if you just buy it for the minis, but then you should probably buy the toys line instead. It's not just 'some' cards, its 400 of them plus the board pieces. $100 is pretty much in line with what other companies takes for similar games with similar unpainted models. It would add 20-30 more to the cost with painting and that would cut into the sales for sure. Even with your own price example so would the minis alone cost $40 and that is without the clix bases which is not free by any means. But if it sells well then there might be a deluxe edition with painted minis, don't expect it to be cheap thou.

Not as unbelievable as your ignorance. If you don't know anything about it then why are you spouting off angrily?

As someone who bought the game, the minis are incredible, and you can easily make your own decals and if they did it would have jumped up to 150 easily. I know we get spoiled as players of a pre-painted miniatures game so most of us really don't appreciate the concept of hobby customization, but often thats a huge draw for people. Also They're not generic colors, and they're not just un-painted raw plastic either, they are painted Federation White and Klignon Green, so they are painted just not detailed. Basically all you'd have to do is either paint the nacells, or decal them, and then decal the name and the number and you're done. For the Klignons, its not as if they had any real detail besides the orange on the wings, and if you really want it, its not that hard to paint in the lines that are there.

Also, good luck printing off all the components as there are about 6 different card types and about 350 regular cards and 50 location cards, not to mention all the tokens that it comes with. For a board game and all that you get, its a good deal, especially since most games with the same amount of components would go for about 50 or 60 (some like Last Night on Earth goes for about 80), and thats not even counting the ships and the clix bases. And when you look at games like Castle Ravenloft, or LNoE or House on Haunted hill which demand high prices, those miniatures are unpainted as well.

As far as the game goes, I played it 3 times after buying it, and its a blast. Its all random (even the ships), so each game is radically different from the next. It combines elements from the 3 major gaming genres (Card, Board, and Minature) but it doesn't feel forced and gameplay is organic. The only thing I can say bad about the gameplay is that, as of now, The Cloak mechanic seems rather underpowered/useless. I doubt Heroclix players are their main market for this game, but if you enjoy board games and Star Trek, its a must have.

Basically if you're expecting or wanting a game like Heroclix, don't buy this game it won't be for you. If you want to ##### about it not being exactly like you expect it to be and how it isn't painted or w/e fine, but you have no idea what you're talking about. WK is making a serious push into the broader gaming market, and as far as the games go they're doing a bang up job. I know many "snobby" gamers of different genres that had written of WK because of the Clix, and many of them for the first time ever bought a Wizkids product, because the games are so damn good that they can overcome their preconceptions. I imagine that exposure is only going to help in the long run.

Wait....this is available already? I thought it's release was pushed back to late September?????

That's all I need to know.

Oh, I took your advice Fredwood and picked up Pandemic. It was(and continues to be) a blast. The locals (mostly fellow clixers) really liked it.

Thanks again for mentioning it.




The general release has been delayed. But a limited # were availible at Gencon. Looks like Fredwood was lucky enough to grab one.